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thermal
Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 60
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: Can a newbie "make it" in Tokyo in November? |
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I have my ticket to Japan departing 7th of September. I just did my tax and now realise that I owe a great deal more money than I thought I did. So much so that I can't afford to go now and must postpone. The question is when to.
In terms of other stuff in my life, it would be very convenient to go on the 31st of October. At that stage I should have about 4000USD (I will have 1000USD at 7th of September). But my worry is that as the FAQ states November is a bad time to be looking for work.
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14. When is the best time to look for a teaching job?
That depends on what kind of job you are looking for. Eikaiwas hire just about any time of year. (Looking in November or December is not a good idea because of the impending New Year holiday. Golden Week in spring, and Obon in August are also unlikely times for many eikaiwas because they are closed.) February-March is considered ideal for joabs starting in April.
For places like high schools, elementary schools, kindergartens, high schools and universities, the school year begins in April. The largest number of advertisements appears in March, but this is often because exiting teachers give notice so late. Many high schools, colleges, and universities post ads 6 to 12 months in advance of the start date. |
The other alternative is to wait until March which whilst ideal in terms of the money I will have and getting work in Japan, sucks in terms of everything else to do with my life. I really want to go at the end of October, but I am afraid this could cause me to fail to find work and be forced to come home.
Potentially relevant info on my chances of getting work:
25 year old Caucasian male
I live in Australia and am going on a WHV.
I am going to Tokyo.
I have nice business and business casual wear.
I am going to try very hard, take any work.. anything so I can make it.
Qualifications + Experience
2.5 years experience as a software developer
Diploma of Software Development (2 year course)
CELTA Pass B
I may have 2 months volunteer teaching depending on if I can get it for such a short period
Soo.. what do you guys recommend.. November, March, Other?
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TK4Lakers

Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 159
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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If you're willing to take any work, you should have no problem finding work at an eikaiwa. My friend came to Tokyo, called one up (Nova), intereviewed that same day and was offered a position at the end.
Not sure about the apt situation though. I believe most eikawai's offer a place to stay but if not you might have a little trouble. Good luck! |
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thermal
Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 60
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:11 am Post subject: |
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In terms of apt I am thinking at least initially a gaijin house, just cos its cheap and relatively easy to get.
That's good to know re an eikaiwa. I would rather avoid them if I have to work in Tokyo, just because I actually want to live elsewhere but know that Tokyo is the best place to find teaching work. So I have been thinking work Tokyo for 6 months then move elsewhere. But if its a choice between that and coming home it is a pretty simple choice.
Are there any eikaiwas that have contracts that are less than 1 year? |
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TK4Lakers

Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 159
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Have you subscribed to the website www.gaijinpot.com?
They have listings every day for new jobs in and around Tokyo (and Japan in general).
I know for a fact that Interac, an ALT dispatch company, is always looking for fill-ins from now until the end of the academic school year which is next March. They usually have listings in Tokyo.
You can always apply to an eikaiwa/job, get hired, work for 6 months and quit too. You can be nice about it and give them a month's notice or just quit on the spot a week before. |
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thermal
Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 60
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanks man. I havn't subscribed to gaijinpot, will check it out.
I have looked at the money situation more closely and realised that I wont have enough money for November. So March it is for me. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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With all due respect to TK4Lakers, did your friend come in November and find work with NOVA that easily?
thermal,
I have told you before that November is a terrible time. Now someone says it is easy to find work. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between.
I would suggest coming when you KNOW the timing is good -- March.
Also, I haunt gaijinpot. Be prepared for an onslaught of flamers there. If you think people like PUCK and X-MAN are mean-spirited here, you ain't seen nothing yet!
The places you really need to check out are The Japan Times (online as well as Monday paper edition), OhayoSensei.com, and www.eltnews.com . |
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PUCK
Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 20 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Thermal, November is actually a very good time to come. If you come during the typical hiring periods (before April and before September), you'll be in tough with a lot of competition. November is a great time to come as there is always turnover. Grabbing a job that someone has just left is often a great way to get your foot-in-the-door and there are ALWAYS opportunities like that arising in Tokyo. Always...
While I have gotten a lot of jobs (p/t mainly and also some f/t) because people have left a position, it is the best way to land a great position. A lot of schools will need to fill a sudden vacancy due to an emergency. A lot of times they will (a) settle for someone possibly less-qualified and (b) the teacher has much more bargaining power in these situations.
Glenski, how long have you been living in Tokyo? I think you're out of your jurisdiction on this one. Like so many others... Also, I don't think you're aware of some of these things. With you it seems everything is just black and white wth no exceptions. Again, Thermal said he's coming to Tokyo, not to the backwoods of Hokkaido. Try to stick to your area of expertise, which is um... I'm not sure... |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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A " very good time to come". How do you explain the drastic decrease in classified ads (from 3 or 4 pages in The Japan Times to less than one page)?
You say this "always" happens, as if there is a trend for foreigners ditching their jobs in November. Sure, people come and go in Japan for emergencies and such, but at all times of the year, not just in November. Tell the whole story here.
Please explain why such a job is " a great position." Again, you speak in half-truths. Besides, PT jobs won't allow a newbie like thermal to get a work visa.
Oh, and get off the bit about not being in Tokyo, so I don't know anything about it. You keep slagging Hokkaido when you haven't even set foot in it, so how do you know anything about it? What I know of Tokyo has come from 9 years of paying attention to posts, to discussing job markets with people who live there, and to reading extensively. Is it a perfect system? No, but what is? It's called doing research. You did it when you asked for my advice on personal and career matters, and you used it to get yourself back to Japan after 2 and 1/2 years of floundering back in North America. Don't be so quick to knock it. |
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PUCK
Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 20 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Glenski, you're still avoiding the issue. You haven't lived in Tokyo. All your research is heresay from people on this board and others. You like passing out advice that is noty firsthand. Secondhand rumors that you've read about on boards like this! To me, it sounds ridiculous.
And I have NEVER asked you for career advice. Once I asked you about the price of a PC. Why would I ask YOU for career advice? However, you were trying to get info. out of me about employers to pass on to this site and others.
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PUCK
Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 20 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: |
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And you're wrong Glenski, there are companies that will sponsor people for p/t work as I said before. Obviously, you haven't done enough homework or research. |
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:58 am Post subject: |
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PUCK wrote: |
November is a great time to come as there is always turnover. Grabbing a job that someone has just left is often a great way to get your foot-in-the-door ... |
True, but I would be very careful about opportunities like that. What is USUALLY means is that someone broke contract. People breaking contract at an eikaiwa is generally not a good sign. Sure, there are often many factors involved, but I would be (at least) very suspicious and take any such offer with a huge grain of salt.
My wife and I arrived mid-February, and were hired just before March 1st, for a work start date of April 1st. Come too early and you risk getting jobs that others bailed from -- come too late and all the interviewing/hiring has already been done.
Arguably, one could reason that arriving in May or June is good too -- as many newbies realize that the jobs they were expecting aren't all they were cracked up to be so that's the time they bail... But again, ask yourself honestly -- did they bail because they couldn't hack it? Or did they bail because the company was crap?
Of course people arrive in Japan looking for work at all times of the year, but if you're going to play to the odds, I'd also have to say that aiming for about 1 to 1.5 months prior to school term/semester beginnings is the best time to arrive. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: |
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PUCK wrote:
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All your research is heresay |
No it's not. I can prove the majority of my statements with facts and figures. |
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bornslippy1981
Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 271
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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To the original poster, even though you've already said you're coming in March because you won't have the funds in November:
I moved into a guest house last January, and at the time, two of the tenents who came in November to Tokyo were going home. The reason being was they couldn't find work.
True, you could land a spot when somebody's leaving. Most school's have a New Year's vacation, and might not be interested in hiring a person then giving them holiday pay a month after they start.
January is a slower period as well, just as in Western countries following the Christmas and New Year's holidays.
But, good luck in March when you do come. |
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