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Jamer
Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 39
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: My perspective on teaching in Taiwan |
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Well I thought I'd add my two cents on teaching and living in Taiwan. One thing I have learned since coming to Taiwan is every single person has a different intepretation on working and living here. I remember reading websites, articles, etc. about teaching and living and in Taiwan, and my experience shared similarities, but did not mimic the experiences of other people. In categories, I'll lay out the pros and cons
Landscapes, cities, Geography
Pros The nature here is amazing and definitely without a doubt Taiwan's biggest tourist attraction. I, unfortunately, only got to see Kenting and a few mountains in south Taiwan. But the sites were easily comparable to trips I've taken to Yellowstone in the US. Hotsprings are abundant, the mountains are amazing and the coasts and wildlife are amazing as well.
Cons The cities here are, in a word, horrible! Extremely crowded, lack trash facilities and the people who do come and pick it up don't do a very good job, grime filled buildings saturate the skylines, virtually impossible to walk as sidewalks are filled with scooters and streets are filled with reckless car drivers and scooter drivers(and this overadundance of cars and scooters leads to sometimes unbelieveable pollutions). I'll probably get a lot of shit for this point but this is my perspective and I have travelled throughout the US, Asia and Europe, and out of all the places I've been Taiwan takes the cake for having the worst cities imaginable. Clubs and bars here get boring so fast!
Teaching
Pros Pretty easy work and I had a hard working gig as an English teacher here-easiest job i've had in my life actually. Money is awesome as I have saved tons of dough and plan on doing some big time travelling that I never thought would be possible. Kids can be great as special bonds easily develop and this really helps in dealing with isolation and homesickness as since this is a common symptom of living abroad
Cons Employers will scam you, sometimes to a big extent, sometimes to a little extent, but they will always break the contract in some way to their favor as they did with me luckily only in a minor extent. Often times the owners of school have next to no idea on education or language learning, and put forth very unrealistic expectations of students as I found that they thought kids who barely even knew how to say "hello" could speak English fluently after 10 weeks of classes. Of course as other posters have noted, it's a business and it's expected. I could go on, but I don't have the attention span to rant.
Social side
Pros I have made some of the closest friends ever here in Taiwan and it is by far the hardest part of leaving here. The fact that you are abroad and going through the struggles and joys that may come with it makes it extremely easy to meet fellow expats who are going through or have gone what you are going through, and bonds develop very quick-again this is with me. If you are a guy, of course, getting women requires only a little difficulty though sometimes the women aren't that great(read on)
Cons Taiwanese, I find and generally speaking are extremely uptight and for that matter pretty boring; moreover, it feels wierd walking around town surruounded by hundreds, thousands of people yet you are treating like thin air (note all of my close friends here are expats, I don't have one local friend and I speak failry good Chinese and very open to meeting and getting to know anyone). The women while they may go crazy for foriegners, the cultural divide makes it pretty hard to date. I dated a few girls here and I found that they were both very immature when it came to sex(product of society I know) and they would often times get into arguments for very trivial things, and these two things made the relationship not that fun and subsequently the reason I don't think I could ever date a local unless they have lived in the west and understand where we come from. There are also of course the club girls-not delving into this!
Misc.
Pros 24 hour food places are abundant, I mean I got a teppenyaki place right outside my apartment so if I want steak at 3 in the morning, I got it. Driving around on a scooter is a lot of fun. Food can be good-hot pot, fresh fruit juice, green tea.
Cons Driving is dangerous and people drive like total idiots. The Taiwanese taste in food can be rather unappetizing-stinky tofu, sushi filled with mayonaise corn, ham-whatever you can think of, duck's blood rice, fried everything. I also am pretty athletic and man taiwanese are the most non-athletic people on the planet (that's off-record LOL).
So I've spent a year, gonna do some travelling and head home and move on to Grad school. I may come back to Taiwan, I've found that Taiwan has all the positives that I don't have at home, but the positives of my home country aren't there either-so I guess it balances out and I'll have to see how I feel when I get home.
That's my view on living and teaching in Taiwan |
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BigWally

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 765 Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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good post....like you said your experience seems to share similarities of a lot of others, and there are some differences...i really like reading personal opinions like these because it gives you another look at Taiwan that you cant get from a website or a book....
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Jamer
Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 39
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Well I should also mention one more thing. I am not a fashion nut though I do like to dress somewhat decently and Taiwan has the worst fashion sense known to mankind-think modern Japanese fashion meets Walmart. I remember I would look hours for a simple shirt and I found either the shirt wouldn't fit right as my western body is not suited for it or it would fit right but it would have cheesy logos and crap on it. This is one of the reasons I'm actually glad to leave Taiwan. |
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dangerousapple
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 292
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I love this place, but still need to get out for a long weekend a couple of times a year. One of the great things about Taiwan is that everywhere in Asia is just a short trip away, and flights are fairly cheap.
As for shopping, I get my clothes at the Russian market in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. Fill a duffel bag of name brand goodies for US$100. See a different culture, decompress for a while, and get your clothes for a year. Nice. |
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SanChong
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 335
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Very interesting post. It's always good to hear an individual perspective on being here. Some of my thoughts:
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Cons The cities here are, in a word, horrible! Extremely crowded, lack trash facilities and the people who do come and pick it up don't do a very good job, grime filled buildings saturate the skylines, virtually impossible to walk as sidewalks are filled with scooters and streets are filled with reckless car drivers and scooter drivers(and this overadundance of cars and scooters leads to sometimes unbelieveable pollutions). I'll probably get a lot of *beep* for this point but this is my perspective and I have travelled throughout the US, Asia and Europe, and out of all the places I've been Taiwan takes the cake for having the worst cities imaginable. Clubs and bars here get boring so fast!
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but I really think this is inaccurate. Have you been to Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Kuala Lumpur, Manila, etc? All of these cities are dirtier and have much lower standard of living then major Taiwanese cities. I won't even describe China, which is much worse. Like most things in life, it's all a matter of perspective. Is Taiwan dirtly compared to a lot of Western cities? Sure, but I don't think the difference is a huge one.
Also, I'd be very curious to hear how the clubs and bars here are more boring than those in other cities? Is the alcohol different? I can speak for Taipei: There are new bars seemingly opening every week. Sometimes, I WISH there weren't so many places to drink!
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but they will always break the contract in some way to their favor as they did with me luckily only in a minor extent. |
I'm not trying to be obnoxious or nitpicky here, but that is an extreme absolute statement. Most people in Taiwan and most Buxiban owners are honest, good people. Saying they are all trying to cheat you is just not true. Sure, everyone should do their research, but most schools are honest.
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Taiwanese, I find and generally speaking are extremely uptight and for that matter pretty boring; moreover, it feels wierd walking around town surruounded by hundreds, thousands of people yet you are treating like thin air (note all of my close friends here are expats, I don't have one local friend and I speak failry good Chinese and very open to meeting and getting to know anyone). |
We've had large discussions about this here before. I believe that generalizing an entire people to be "boring" is ridiculous at best and offensive at it's worst. As for not being able to make local friends, I really think the blame is more likely placed on your shoulders than that of the locals. Taiwanese people are extremely friendly and any foreigner I've ever known in Taiwan (which is hundreds) have had no problem making as many Taiwanese friends as they wanted. Many Taiwanese want nothing more than to make a good foreign friend, practice their English with you, etc.
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I dated a few girls here and I found that they were both very immature when it came to sex(product of society I know) and they would often times get into arguments for very trivial things, and these two things made the relationship not that fun and subsequently the reason I don't think I could ever date a local unless they have lived in the west and understand where we come from. |
If that's not an example of cultural arrogance than I don't know what is. We are in their country dating them... shouldn't we understand where THEY com from? Wouldn't that make more sense?
I actually agree with everything you said, however I disagree with your reaction. Yes, they have a very different mindset than we do. However, that doesn't make us right. It's just different.
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Well I should also mention one more thing. I am not a fashion nut though I do like to dress somewhat decently and Taiwan has the worst fashion sense known to mankind-think modern Japanese fashion meets Walmart. I remember I would look hours for a simple shirt and I found either the shirt wouldn't fit right as my western body is not suited for it or it would fit right but it would have cheesy logos and crap on it. This is one of the reasons I'm actually glad to leave Taiwan. |
Agreed on all accounts, but there are plenty of Western places to shop. Taipei has Roots stores, Polo, Hilfiger, Armani and pretty much any other Western brand store you are looking for. Also, The Net is pretty much the same thing as The Gap. |
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Jamer
Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 39
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but I really think this is inaccurate. Have you been to Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Kuala Lumpur, Manila, etc? All of these cities are dirtier and have much lower standard of living then major Taiwanese cities. I won't even describe China, which is much worse. Like most things in life, it's all a matter of perspective. Is Taiwan dirtly compared to a lot of Western cities? Sure, but I don't think the difference is a huge one.
Also, I'd be very curious to hear how the clubs and bars here are more boring than those in other cities? Is the alcohol different? I can speak for Taipei: There are new bars seemingly opening every week. Sometimes, I WISH there weren't so many places to drink! |
I've been to Bangkok, Beijing, Shanghai and many other cities in China- Maybe I missed something-those cities were dirty, but I still find Taiwanese cities dirtier at least the one I was in, Kaohsiung. Clubs and bars-it's the people that make it boring either they'll be a few foreigners for a conversation or two then there'll be obviously tons of taiwanese who seem to act seperately from foreigners-again this is my perspective and obviously pretty general.
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I'm not trying to be obnoxious or nitpicky here, but that is an extreme absolute statement. Most people in Taiwan and most Buxiban owners are honest, good people. Saying they are all trying to cheat you is just not true. Sure, everyone should do their research, but most schools are honest. |
Honestly, from the way my employer treated me and from the experiences other people working here, I find that hard to believe. In fact, my first week here I had a conversation with a foreign bartender who's taught for years in Taiwan and he told it was only a matter of time before the employer started screwing me. The extent is the difference and sometimes it's very minimal and nothing to fuss about.
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If that's not an example of cultural arrogance than I don't know what is. We are in their country dating them... shouldn't we understand where THEY com from? Wouldn't that make more sense?
I actually agree with everything you said, however I disagree with your reaction. Yes, they have a very different mindset than we do. However, that doesn't make us right. It's just different. |
Well in the end, the heart and the person on the inside counts irregardless of what culture the person comes from. But I just found it difficult for me to adjust to dating folks here I guess. |
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mpan
Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 35 Location: Taoyuan, Taiwan
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"irregardless" is not a word ..... sorry ... just makes me nuts when people use it  |
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Pop Fly

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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:19 am Post subject: |
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mpan wrote: |
"irregardless" is not a word ..... sorry ... just makes me nuts when people use it  |
But they use it all the time on The Sopranos.  |
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I_is_teach_English
Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 44 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Pop Fly wrote: |
mpan wrote: |
"irregardless" is not a word ..... sorry ... just makes me nuts when people use it  |
But they use it all the time on The Sopranos.  |
... and they use double negatives! Does it make it right?  |
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Pop Fly

Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 429
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: |
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I_is_teach_English wrote: |
Pop Fly wrote: |
mpan wrote: |
"irregardless" is not a word ..... sorry ... just makes me nuts when people use it  |
But they use it all the time on The Sopranos.  |
... and they use double negatives! Does it make it right?  |
No it don't. But you don't got no sense of irony. Lemme explain:
For someone who is attempting to use one's ID handle to play fast and loose with grammar for the sake of the irony of teacher vs grammar mistake juxtapositioning, I ain't not surprised that you never didn't not get my own tongue-in-cheekiness.
Maybe next time you won't roll your emoticomical eyes at a joke just cuz you ain't not never getting the punchline. |
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Deicide

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 1005 Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: Re: My perspective on teaching in Taiwan |
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Jamer wrote: |
Well I thought I'd add my two cents on teaching and living in Taiwan. One thing I have learned since coming to Taiwan is every single person has a different intepretation on working and living here. I remember reading websites, articles, etc. about teaching and living and in Taiwan, and my experience shared similarities, but did not mimic the experiences of other people. In categories, I'll lay out the pros and cons
Landscapes, cities, Geography
Pros The nature here is amazing and definitely without a doubt Taiwan's biggest tourist attraction. I, unfortunately, only got to see Kenting and a few mountains in south Taiwan. But the sites were easily comparable to trips I've taken to Yellowstone in the US. Hotsprings are abundant, the mountains are amazing and the coasts and wildlife are amazing as well.
Cons The cities here are, in a word, horrible! Extremely crowded, lack trash facilities and the people who do come and pick it up don't do a very good job, grime filled buildings saturate the skylines, virtually impossible to walk as sidewalks are filled with scooters and streets are filled with reckless car drivers and scooter drivers(and this overadundance of cars and scooters leads to sometimes unbelieveable pollutions). I'll probably get a lot of *beep* for this point but this is my perspective and I have travelled throughout the US, Asia and Europe, and out of all the places I've been Taiwan takes the cake for having the worst cities imaginable. Clubs and bars here get boring so fast!
Teaching
Pros Pretty easy work and I had a hard working gig as an English teacher here-easiest job i've had in my life actually. Money is awesome as I have saved tons of dough and plan on doing some big time travelling that I never thought would be possible. Kids can be great as special bonds easily develop and this really helps in dealing with isolation and homesickness as since this is a common symptom of living abroad
Cons Employers will scam you, sometimes to a big extent, sometimes to a little extent, but they will always break the contract in some way to their favor as they did with me luckily only in a minor extent. Often times the owners of school have next to no idea on education or language learning, and put forth very unrealistic expectations of students as I found that they thought kids who barely even knew how to say "hello" could speak English fluently after 10 weeks of classes. Of course as other posters have noted, it's a business and it's expected. I could go on, but I don't have the attention span to rant.
Social side
Pros I have made some of the closest friends ever here in Taiwan and it is by far the hardest part of leaving here. The fact that you are abroad and going through the struggles and joys that may come with it makes it extremely easy to meet fellow expats who are going through or have gone what you are going through, and bonds develop very quick-again this is with me. If you are a guy, of course, getting women requires only a little difficulty though sometimes the women aren't that great(read on)
Cons Taiwanese, I find and generally speaking are extremely uptight and for that matter pretty boring; moreover, it feels wierd walking around town surruounded by hundreds, thousands of people yet you are treating like thin air (note all of my close friends here are expats, I don't have one local friend and I speak failry good Chinese and very open to meeting and getting to know anyone). The women while they may go crazy for foriegners, the cultural divide makes it pretty hard to date. I dated a few girls here and I found that they were both very immature when it came to sex(product of society I know) and they would often times get into arguments for very trivial things, and these two things made the relationship not that fun and subsequently the reason I don't think I could ever date a local unless they have lived in the west and understand where we come from. There are also of course the club girls-not delving into this!
Misc.
Pros 24 hour food places are abundant, I mean I got a teppenyaki place right outside my apartment so if I want steak at 3 in the morning, I got it. Driving around on a scooter is a lot of fun. Food can be good-hot pot, fresh fruit juice, green tea.
Cons Driving is dangerous and people drive like total idiots. The Taiwanese taste in food can be rather unappetizing-stinky tofu, sushi filled with mayonaise corn, ham-whatever you can think of, duck's blood rice, fried everything. I also am pretty athletic and man taiwanese are the most non-athletic people on the planet (that's off-record LOL).
So I've spent a year, gonna do some travelling and head home and move on to Grad school. I may come back to Taiwan, I've found that Taiwan has all the positives that I don't have at home, but the positives of my home country aren't there either-so I guess it balances out and I'll have to see how I feel when I get home.
That's my view on living and teaching in Taiwan |
Sounds like Korea minus the good social aspects... |
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dangerousapple
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 292
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Korea? Back when the Asian financial crisis hit (1997 or so) hundreds of teachers came over here from Korea, because they couldn't find work. People joked that it was a Korean refugee crisis! Every one of them that I met said the only reason they were in Korea was for the money, and that living there was pure hell. I wouldn't personally know, as I haven't been there yet, but even my Taiwanese friends who have been there say it's boring! |
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I_is_teach_English
Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 44 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Pop Fly wrote: |
No it don't. But you don't got no sense of irony. Lemme explain:
For someone who is attempting to use one's ID handle to play fast and loose with grammar for the sake of the irony of teacher vs grammar mistake juxtapositioning, I ain't not surprised that you never didn't not get my own tongue-in-cheekiness.
Maybe next time you won't roll your emoticomical eyes at a joke just cuz you ain't not never getting the punchline. |
LMAO Sorry, misuse of eyes!  |
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SanChong
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 335
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like Korea minus the good social aspects... |
I thought it was well know that, as a general rule, people go to Korea for the money and to Taiwan for the culture, friendlier people and easier lifestyle.
Of course, this doesn't apply to everyone, but I think it's generally true. People I have known who taught in both countries almost always prefer living in Taiwan. |
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