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[Tezcatlipoca]

*deleted because I was told to*

[Mydnight]

Wow, the pay is incredibly low for GZ. It should be at least 180, from what I've seen...

[Tezcatlipoca]

As of now, I simply don't have the contacts to freelance effectively.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Alas, it doesn't work like that. The PSB has documentation that I was under contract with a Chinese school. My new company attempted to apply for a visa and I got a visit from the PSB asking where my release was... hence, I can't work for the new company, even though it is a good job.

[andrew_gz]

"a bunch of Cantonese jerks"

Cantonese?

[HunanForeignGuy]

[Tezcatlipoca]

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[HunanForeignGuy]

First of all, everyone has an aunt or an uncle or someone who works at the PSB in China. It is China's largest single employer. They do not operate on the basis of a telephone call from Aunt X to block someone. Rule of law or not, they more often than not tend to follow written instructions.

Example : in my previous school in Hunan, a New Zealand teacher left early (three months into his second one-year contract). The school was uncooperative to the say the least and the FAO should have been running a concentration camp (since removed). This FAO (who was on the most intimate terms possible with the local PSB) attempted to convince them to cancel the Kiwi's visa (it still ran for another six months). With a lot of prodding from us, the Kiwi held firm and would not relinquish his visa. Quite the brawl ensued but in the end, the PSB would not cancel his visa.

Next, this becomes more and more confusing (I mean what you write).

I can tell you pertinently that the PSB are absolutely rigourous about that because under the new rules the FEC actually functions as the work permit, believe it or not. So while I believe you 10000%, it is still inconceivable that your FAO would submit your new visa request / resident permit without the Foreign Expert Certificate -- CONSIDERING that it is the first item at the top of a long list of items that must be submitted to the PSB when a new application / renewal application is submitted to the PSB. So that absolutely makes no sense.

In 99% of all renewal or change of employee visas in China, that is actually what happens - a new application or a change of employer application is submitted while the previous visa is still exstant. If the new visa is approved, then the previous visa is simply cancelled.

The PSB in GZ and in another big cities are quite sophisticated in terms of foreigners and have seen it all. So that in itself is not unusual.

Did you move? It sounds to me like you moved and that you did not register your new residence within 24 hours as required -- that for sure would trigger a police visit and I can promise you that.

Next, who knows -- but for what it's worth -- you have been highly, highly critical of China all over this board and it simply could be that the PSB has got all of that in its file on you, too. Don't think that there is anything ressembling Internet anonymity, even with a handle. It happened to an acquaintance of mine in HangZhou who wrote all kinds of not nice things about China and boy, when she changed jobs and attempted to renew her visa, did she have problems. They quite literally handed her a copy of everything that she had written and grilled her on it.

Your situation is very, very murky and I have been in China and around this Board a long time.

Your easiest solution is what Yunqui told you -- secure a job in another province and move there -- in most cases, a Letter of Release can be dispensed with but a Letter of Recommendation may be needed -- from anyone that you have worked for in China.

Like I said to you on another series of postings in which you really lambasted China, be careful. I sensed that you were a newbie.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Hmmmm... alibi, eh?

Well, I am getting married in Guangzhou in September...

[HunanForeignGuy]

To Yunqui:

Good advice -- all of it. But the PSB do not do nationwide. The rules differ from province-to-province to a great degree and there is a certain amount of latitude.

But yes a Letter of Release helps but there are many, many administrative ways in which to handle a situation -- one of the easiest being the "treat-it-as-a-new-application" application. The most important thing for that process is a savvy FAO.

But look for the record, as I said, the OP has been very murky with providing consistent information and some of the information that has been provided is perhaps in my opinion not quite accurate.

The PSB do not do house visits for overlaps in visas. They DO do house visas for non-registration of change of residences within the framework provided by the law.

Next, as I said, a visa application will not be processed by the PSB, particularly in GZ, without a Foreign Expert Certificate and an acceptable medical. That is not speculation -- that is fact. Thus, when the OP writes that his visa was refused because his previous school said bad things and then he wrote that he never had a Foreign Expert Certificate at the time his papers for his new visa were presented for processing...well, it causes me some doubts.

I think that it is great that there is Board where we can exchange ideas and help those with questions.


BUT

There is one thing that I have noticed over time, and I have noticed that again and again and again, and that is the many, many times, a poster will seek help for something that has occured in China and will present ... a very sanitized, tailored version of what has occured. I have been burned by that several times here so when I see these postings, I do not believe the employer at all -- BUT I cannot help but feeling that we are not being given the entire story.

[cj750]

[HunanForeignGuy]

[Tezcatlipoca]

Would anyone happen to have a website or address of the Foreign Expert's Bureau in Guangzhou?

[danielb]

http://www.gzpi.gov.cn/gzfeb/

[Tezcatlipoca]

Muchos gracias, danielb