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Which is the best?
AEON
15%
 15%  [ 3 ]
GOES
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
NOVA
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
ECC
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
Westgate
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
None of the above
47%
 47%  [ 9 ]
Total Votes : 19

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Ferfichkin



Joined: 07 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Chain Schools Reply with quote

I know that no large chain school is perfect, I work for one in Taiwan, but, in your opinion, which one of Japan's large chains is the best?

I would like to come to Japan after I finish my contract in Taiwan, and am trying to get a feel for which school has the best reputation.

Thanks,
fich
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TokyoLiz



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: Best? Reply with quote

Best how? What would you like people to rate?

Something I learned from a Shane employee - Shane English requires a CELTA/TESOL/PGCE or other qualification. They raised the bar on professionalism it seems. That may make it a more satisfying job experience for dedicated entry level ESL/EFL teachers.
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japanman



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't vote because I have no idea.I worked at Nova first of all, the a couple of years of privates, then ECC, the some more privates and now an ALT. The time I had in the big schools was easy but wholly unsatisfying, very bland and colourless. So if you are coming over from taiwan, try an ALT job.
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JimDunlop2



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto on that. When I first came, I worked a year at an eikaiwa but it was not one of the big 4 chain schools. They were a fairly large regional contender with a number of branches.

In any event, personally, I think that anyone who is limiting themselves to one of the poll options is closing a lot of other doors for themselves. I really don't think I'd want to work for any of them.
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japanman



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
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Location: England

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't like to go back to any form of adult teaching in Japan since I became an ALT, but that's a different topic.
Often though, you are limited to the big schools as a starter, so that's fair enough. If I were to choose between ECC or Nova then ECC is worse, or rather was worse for me. But that's a very long story. I was basicaly subjected to some horrific racism of the worse level. So stay way from them. Don7t want this to turn into a bitching thread though. Hope it doesn't turn that way.
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japan_01



Joined: 04 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:13 am    Post subject: GABA Reply with quote

I dont know if you can call GABA a "large chain' but they are a great company to work for. I have had no troubles and can have holidays/break whenever I want. I love it! Given, the pay isn't is grand as ECC/NOVA however you dont have to put up with 8 year old screaming kids running around the room. Each lesson is 40minutes and planning takes about 2minutes. It's heaven.
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furiousmilksheikali



Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: GABA Reply with quote

japan_01 wrote:
I dont know if you can call GABA a "large chain' but they are a great company to work for. I have had no troubles and can have holidays/break whenever I want. I love it! ... It's heaven.


I've never heard that before. I suppose there is a first time for everything.

How much does GABA pay? I heard that it was only about 1500 yen an hour. Do you get enough lessons to make it worth your while?
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TokyoLiz



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:57 am    Post subject: All depends on you Reply with quote

Japanman said

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I worked at Nova first of all, the a couple of years of privates, then ECC, the some more privates and now an ALT. The time I had in the big schools was easy but wholly unsatisfying, very bland and colourless. So if you are coming over from taiwan, try an ALT job.


I taught at an international ESL school (full time day school for foreign students) in Canada and found teaching adult students who are driven, curious and in a holiday mindset a lot of fun.

Then I taught as a JET ALT, and found that to be a blast, teaching alongside Japanese teachers in the so-called team-teaching situation.

The last few years, I've been teaching solo English conversation to split classes (16-20 children in a class).

If you like kids, and you can get a solo teaching position, then ALT work is rewarding and fun. If you don't want to wrangle kids all day, then perhaps eikaiwa is a better placement. I'm happy at either high schools in Japan, or ESL schools in Canada.
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Mark



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Posts: 500
Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: All depends on you Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
Japanman said

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I worked at Nova first of all, the a couple of years of privates, then ECC, the some more privates and now an ALT. The time I had in the big schools was easy but wholly unsatisfying, very bland and colourless. So if you are coming over from taiwan, try an ALT job.


I taught at an international ESL school (full time day school for foreign students) in Canada and found teaching adult students who are driven, curious and in a holiday mindset a lot of fun.

Then I taught as a JET ALT, and found that to be a blast, teaching alongside Japanese teachers in the so-called team-teaching situation.

The last few years, I've been teaching solo English conversation to split classes (16-20 children in a class).

If you like kids, and you can get a solo teaching position, then ALT work is rewarding and fun. If you don't want to wrangle kids all day, then perhaps eikaiwa is a better placement. I'm happy at either high schools in Japan, or ESL schools in Canada.


Hi Liz,

I have a similar background to yours. I taught adult ESL in Canada, then eikaiwa in Tokyo, then an ALT, and now a solo Oral Communication teacher with split classes.

The difference is that I haven't found much satisfaction either as an ALT or as an OC teacher and I'm thinking of giving it up at the end of this year. Can I ask: how do you find satisfaction doing this? What is the English curriculum like at your school?
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Like a Rolling Stone



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Chain Schools Reply with quote

Ferfichkin wrote:
I know that no large chain school is perfect, I work for one in Taiwan, but, in your opinion, which one of Japan's large chains is the best?

I would like to come to Japan after I finish my contract in Taiwan, and am trying to get a feel for which school has the best reputation.

Thanks,
fich


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Ferfichkin



Joined: 07 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Stone,

So what conclusion did you come to? Did you go to Japan? Are you working for any of the schools in your poll? Do you have any advice for me as to which schools are better? Let me know.

Thanks,
fich
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Like a Rolling Stone



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ferfichkin wrote:
Hey Stone,

So what conclusion did you come to? Did you go to Japan? Are you working for any of the schools in your poll? Do you have any advice for me as to which schools are better? Let me know.

Thanks,
fich


Hello yes, my advice is that the agencies like ZIAC and Interact are really bad deals so don't go with them. The most popular school was Bob's English Emporium and that's just a place that was made up! Shocked so I think the other eikaiwa chains are all the same. I work for a very small chain now. It's okay but not that proffessional. They pay me in time so that's good. Cool
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Sour Grape



Joined: 10 May 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Best? Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
Best how? What would you like people to rate?

Something I learned from a Shane employee - Shane English requires a CELTA/TESOL/PGCE or other qualification. They raised the bar on professionalism it seems. That may make it a more satisfying job experience for dedicated entry level ESL/EFL teachers.


I'm afraid this information is out of date by about six years.

Unless the "other qualification" includes the Shane 5 day training coursee.

They used to require qualifications, but they couldn't get enough teachers.
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japan_01



Joined: 04 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GABA is 1500 yen per 40minute lesson. Planning is literally 1minute (95% of the time). You can make anywhere up to 300,000yen depending on your avaiability. I work Tuesday nights, Wednesday Days, Thursday Days, Friday Nights, Saturday Day and Sunday Day and am taking home in the 250,000 - 300,000 range. I much prefer having the freedom to chose when I want to work because travelling from Japan is sooo cheap. You give GABA your roster 20 days prior so you can do anything, whenever you want.
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canuck



Joined: 11 May 2003
Posts: 1921
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japan_01 wrote:
GABA is 1500 yen per 40minute lesson. Planning is literally 1minute (95% of the time). You can make anywhere up to 300,000yen depending on your avaiability. I work Tuesday nights, Wednesday Days, Thursday Days, Friday Nights, Saturday Day and Sunday Day and am taking home in the 250,000 - 300,000 range. I much prefer having the freedom to chose when I want to work because travelling from Japan is sooo cheap. You give GABA your roster 20 days prior so you can do anything, whenever you want.


This is a classic example of McEnglish.
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