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jonathan1001



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Consider this Reply with quote

Just found this job ad. I am not considering it. Thought the wages were incredibly low buy KSA standards.


Contract period 10 months Single status
(renewable yearly)
Salary per month SR 6000
Holidays 1 months paid holiday
Housing will be provided
Transportation Staff Minibus Provided
Medical and Health Insurance Provided
Air Travel 1 Air ticket to Capital city of country of origin

Any comments?

Jonathan

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Arab Strap



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This wouldn't happen to be Berlitz would it?
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jonathan1001



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it isn't.
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Mohammad



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it's for a job in Madinah.
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Queen of Sheba



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a very low salary and the holidays are too short by any Saudi standard. This is a bad deal and anyone considering it would be encouraging the employers to continue such offers. If job seekers have an MA or if they have a BA plus experience and certification, and can make a reasonably favorable impression, they can do much better than this. These salaries are just going to attract the desperate or uneducated. They need educated English teachers in Saudi Arabia much more than we need jobs.

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Mohammad



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The salary offered in Madinah, is generally, much lower than anywhere else in the Kingdom. Most of the teachers go there for religious reasons, hence, the salary amount and the length of vacation doesn't bother them.
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Queen of Sheba



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mohammad wrote:
The salary offered in Madinah, is generally, much lower than anywhere else in the Kingdom. Most of the teachers go there for religious reasons, hence, the salary amount and the length of vacation doesn't bother them.


Lowering salaries isn't fair just because its in Madinah, nor is it very ethical. Accepting such a salary without protest sends the message that teachers are willing to work for less in the whole of the country. Besides one can easily go to Makkah or Madinah on the weekends or holidays from another city in KSA. As long as the teachers take the bad package, the longer the employer will take advantage of their close proximity to Holy places...not a very holy practice at all.
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Mohammad



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The salaries offered in Makkah and Madinah have always been lower than anywhere else in the Kingdom. Most people who take such jobs don't have the credentials for the higher paying jobs, hence, they accept such offers without protest.
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a_ibrahim



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that isn't necessarily true. previously, there were positions open for taibah university and they offered more than 6000. and they didn't hire anyone without the credentials they were looking for.
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Mohammad



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The person who put the advertisement on, is hiring for a language centre and Taibah University. He is a like a recruitment consultant, that's the package he's offering, for both the language centre and Taibah University positions.
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a_ibrahim



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you serious? they were offering more before.
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Mohammad



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your offer must have been from Taibah University itself. The package is always much lower when it's via a middle man.
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ahk3ahk3



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a Taibah Univ advert that I found at (MOD edit)

Position Information:
Position Name: EFL LECTURER
Position Description: The English Language Center (ELC) at Taibah University is interested in recruiting well-qualified, committed and experienced teachers of EFL/ESL/EAP to teach in the Orientation English Program (OEP), a 20-hour-per-week pre-university intensive English course preparing male/female students for an MD, BS, or BA degree. Teachers specializing in writing are also needed for a 3-course undergraduate writing program.

Qualifications/Experience: An MA in TEFL/TESOL or Applied Linguistics, a one- year, full-time postgraduate diploma in TEFL/TESL from an accredited university, or an RSA/UCLES DELTA is preferred. More basic postgraduate qualifications in TESOL (TEFL, CELTA or Cert TEFLA) can also be considered for candidates with particularly appropriate experience.

Salary/Benefits: Competitive monthly salaries based on qualifications and experience ($2,000 to $4,792).
Annual Accommodation Allowance ($6,656).
Annual Transportation Allowance ($1,597).
60 days paid vacation.
Yearly Round-Trip tickets to country of residence; up to 4 tickets.
End of service bonus.
One-time furniture stipend ($3,378).
Children's education: Employees may receive up to SR25,000 as compensation for their children's education provided their children are/can not be admitted into the public schools of the Kingdom.
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ahk3ahk3



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... and here is the advert for Madinah Language Institute that I found at (MOD edit)

Job vacancies
EFL Instructors (male and female)

Job Title English Instructor/Instructress
Location Madinah, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Qualifications Graduate of any discipline plus CELTA or equivalent. Alternatively a diploma level qualification with a CELTA or equivalent and two years work experience.
Language ability Native speakers of the English language from the UK, USA, Australia, Canada, South Africa or any other appropriate country.
Ideal candidates Priority will be given to teaching couples, such as husband/wife, brother/sister, father/daughter, mother/son or any other acceptable male/female combinations.
Religious requirements These positions are also open to non-Muslims. Muslims preferred. Please note: There are movement restrictions for non-Muslims in central Madinah due to religious requirements.
Responsibilities Instructors will be required to teach adults and children at the Institute offices or client offices.
Contract period 10 months Single status
(renewable yearly)
Salary per month SR 6000
Holidays 1 months paid holiday
Housing Housing will be provided
Transportation Staff Minibus Provided
Medical and Health Insurance Provided
Air Travel 1 Air ticket to Capital city of country of origin
Are you interested? Please forward your CV or any questions to the email or fax above
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jonathan1001



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just when you thought it couldn't get any better.

Here is another one

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Basic salary for Full timers is SAR 7500 + 30 days holiday + medical inssurance [sic] + free acomodation [sic]

Wow an offer too good to refuse.

Jonathan
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