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Urgent - What to do when English school doesn't want to pay
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Gold Rush



Joined: 18 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Urgent - What to do when English school doesn't want to pay Reply with quote

Urgent - What to do when English school doesn't want to pay you before you have to leave the country??

I worked only a few hours at a western-managed English school in Shanghai this month. I told them I had to leave China by the end of August and that my train was already booked. They gave me the classes and now It's time for them to pay.

They seem like they are going to, but they keep forgeting about my visa expiry date. I told them I can't wait around until the 10th of the moneth to pick up my pay, because I have to leave the country before the 1st.

My question is what are my options if this school refuses to pay me before I must leave the country?

The school is western-managed and not dodgy. Actually, pretty good relations (with teachers) aside from this pay date nonsense. Also, there was no contract, only a signed sheet saying I would teach a few classes. I don't have a Z visa.

What can I do if things get ugly?
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tofuman



Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Western managed and not dodgy? LOL.

Take your losses, redefine the meaning of "dodgy," and move on.

Dude, "Good relations" are simply the Chinese way of setting you up for the "rip off."
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no_exit



Joined: 12 Oct 2004
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Location: Kunming

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait and see? Hope for the best? Since you weren't legally employed there's not much you can do legally without incriminating yourself. If you get nasty with them they'll be even less likely to pay you. But then again, are they acting dodgy? Do you have any reason to think they won't pay you before the 10th? Have you always been paid on time before? If they've been fairly reliable in the past then it is probably safe to assume they won't screw you over at the last minute, but you never know.
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therock



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep asking, ask, ask and ask. Ring or go and see them. Explain the situation, explain as many times until they get the point.
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7969



Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

therock wrote:
Keep asking, ask, ask and ask. Ring or go and see them. Explain the situation, explain as many times until they get the point.


this is the way to do it. my last school kept delaying final payment of end of contract bonuses and end of contract salary and so n and we just had to keep hammering away at them to meet with us and pay up. the two of us employed by them both had visas expiring within a few days once we finally did get paid. we tried to be procactive about it, submitting a memo three weeks before end of the term requesting a pay date be arranged and any outstanding power bills and so on be made available for us to look at and pay for if necessary. in the end that was a wasted effort. just bother them about it (in a nice way) until they get tired of you and they pay up.

what therock suggests is the right approach.
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cj750



Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and remember ..it is best to deal with the man who writes the check...if you can't get next to him ...get next to the person who is next to him...
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WordUp



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are still teaching, stop teaching until they pay you.. If your stint is over.. Good luck with that! Without leverage, your salary is going to buy one of the admins kids English lessons at the competing school down the street.. I like the advice of walking into the office and refusing to leave until they pay you.. Of course if you need to remove a few limbs to get what you want make sure you have adequate demembering music..
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BlakeS



Joined: 07 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully you have good relations with other staff members because your only real course of action is to take something away from them if they try to take something away from you.

At my old school, the staff (as a whole) would have to threaten to quit to make sure someone received their last pay or flight reimbursement, etc.

You always hope it won't come to that - but it always seems to. Everytime you start at a new school, start working on ways to ensure your best interests will be taken care of.
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HunanForeignGuy



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006