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Bro D
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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Location: Nanjing
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 Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: CCIEE Shanghai - what do you think? |
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A search revealed posts related to this employer that were a mixed-bag: some scathing, some indifferent and some positive. However these were all from last year so I'm wanting to know what the current verdict on this group is.
Anyone that's worked at CCIEE recently or is currently working for them please share your experiences. I ask because due to me only being available to begin work in November I haven't been able to find work at most high schools and universities, forcing me to look closely at the private institute options available.
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MITCH
Joined: 18 Aug 2006
Posts: 58
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Hi Bro,
More information please. What does that organization stand for?
Their contact address, website, bosses name will jog my or other FT's memories.
MITCH |
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Bro D
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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CCIEE stands for China Centre for International Education Exhange.
Their contact details are:
CCIEE Shanghai Branch
5F, HongXiang (Wings) Department Store
No.863-869, Nan Jing Xi Road,
Shanghai, China 200041
Tel: 86-21-62726503
Fax: 86-21-62724905
E-mail: [email protected]
Essentially they assign you to a school in Shanghai (usually primary school) however you receive your training, wage, apartment/apartment subsidy from CCIEE. |
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MITCH
Joined: 18 Aug 2006
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Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Bro,
With any agent, especially an agent that deals in overseas education consulting, they are amongst the biggest con artists i have met in China. The reason is they are in the business of conning people to pay a consulting fee, and to convince and send their client to a place they have never heard of before. Not to mention the 300,000+ rmb for overseas study.
Some will interview you for two weeks to milk your brain, and then tell you that you don't qualify.
I think i met the boss(F) of that operation, and got a really bad impression of her way of thinking, and Ms Huang rings a bell too. Anyway proceed with caution.
I read the ad from that company. The salary is low in comparison to other jobs in Shanghai.
With agents that are new in hiring teachers, it's the inexperience factor that kills you, cos there are too many problems they don't know how to fix quickly enough or at all.
I have a feeling they will outsource you to local primary schools for wholesale, and sell you at retail. Deal direct and you can get retail.
It's better to deal with a language center, such as Neworld, or another that has systems in place. If you can find a college or uni, that could be bliss. A regular schedule, good accommodation and in the major cities a good ESL salary for the 15 or so hours you actually teach per week. Low stress.
If you can't get the uni gig, then try and find a western managed language center, which will give you a bit more peace of mind. Yew Wah is one that i can recommend.
Good Luck. |
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MITCH
Joined: 18 Aug 2006
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Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Bro,
Another FT sent this to me, and it's worth a read.
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Hi MITCH!
I am a teacher who's been working with this company for 3 years, and I really don't know where you got your information. Almost everything you mentioned about them has no basis in reality, except that teachers are placed in local primary schools. Even so, they're not "farmed out", but operate within our program and remain our employees.
CCIEE does not charge any agency fees, and does not solicit information regarding program content or methods from prospective teachers. Applicants are given a prompt reply, and no attempt is made to pick their brains for ideas. If the company wants input, they can refer to their trainers. I have over 14 years of teaching experience in canada and China and Uni certification, another is a PhD, and a third is a retired Canadian highschool principal.
The salary isn't great, but not bad either for beginners (9-11K/mo.), it's just a bit above average. CCIEE isn't an agency, it's an education company that has been operating the same program for 4 years, and they are really quite good at dealing with FTs' problems. Everything is legal, and the teachers are always paid in full and on time.
The only current overseas placements from CCIEE are for Chinese teachers of English who do professional upgrading at Thompson Rivers University in BC, Canada. This is arranged with the Shanghai School Board.
CCIEE has had some issues with FTs in the past, mostly due to volatile personalities and culture shock, but teacher retention has improved greatly, and we now have over 40 full-time teachers in the program. Every year, student teachers from Acadia University come to CCIEE to complete their practica.
I was really put off by your reference to Ms. Huang. Johanna is a great gal and a friend of mine, and she puts up with a lot. She's just an interface between the teachers and the typically hard-nosed admin.
During my time with CCIEE, I've never had any serious problems, and I think that an FT who likes teaching kids could do a lot worse than working for this company. If you have any questions, or want more information, feel free to pm me or drop me an e-mail at (e-mail withheld)
I understand that you have an interest in safeguarding FTs, as do I, but I think your post could use some follow-up to portray my employer in a more positive light, because they do try hard. I'm not going to add to the thread, because I don't want to start stirring up the pot in public.
All the best,
Name witheld by MITCH.
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I hope the person who sent me this private message is not too offended that i have posted his story.
I don't want to edit it, or leave anything out, cos it's his experience, and to cut something out would dilute the message.
Bro,
My story was one-sided, and I hope this gives you another view.
These groups have different departments, and it�s good to hear that in one of their programs we can find a happy FT of note working there, who is willing to share his positive experience, and to promote the company.
Based on what I have read, the picture is different at the present stage for the OP, and the position sounds like a good one. Without having the full details of this position, I should not comment further.
Good luck with the job hunting. Let me know how you go.
MITCH.
P.s. By posting this i believe that if there's going to be any "stirring of the pot in public", it will only come from people who have a genuine story to tell. The OP has gone a long way to keeping their image positive. |
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Plume D'ella Plumeria
Joined: 10 Jan 2005
Posts: 28
Location: The Lost Horizon
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't work for that organisation. That's all I have to say. It's a bad, bad place. During my sojourn there, many teachers quit within their first month and that included me. Johanna Huang is not a nice person. I think I know who sent that lovely message about what a great place it to work it is and I suspect that he has some financial incentive to do so. He's been there for a good long time, God knows why. Perhaps nowhere else to go? Don't go there. I have a feeling that you'll be sorry if you do. |
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