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All you need is love... or do you?
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Perpetual Traveller



Joined: 29 Aug 2005
Posts: 651
Location: In the Kak, Japan

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: All you need is love... or do you? Reply with quote

The very nature of our lifestyle means that we are far more likely to become involved with a foreign partner, and I use foreign to mean both those who are native to the countries we are living in and also fellow ex-pats who hail from a different home country.

I am curious to hear about peoples' experiences in this area whether you are single or attached. Some questions I am particularly interested in are:

Did you give any thought to this before embarking?

If so, what were your conclusions?

For those who are involved/married/etc to a foreigner;

Did you intend to stay in that country permanantly before you met your spouse/partner?

Have you talked about/considered relocating to your home country?

Have you talked about/considered relocating to a country neutral to the both of you?

Are there any relationship challenges that you think are unique to your situation?

I would love to say that I am asking for an anthropological thesis or something but the truth is I am just nosy, so go on, humour me, you know you want to! Wink Laughing

PT
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lozwich



Joined: 25 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking of shacking up PT? Wink
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dmb



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am curious about white elephant's response. do you love me Wink
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thelmadatter



Joined: 31 Mar 2003
Posts: 1212
Location: in el Distrito Federal x fin!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: dating Reply with quote

Its been a really bumpy ride for me in that department.

First of all, I assumed (and we know what happens when you assume) that I wouldnt be able to date as a 40-something female in Mexico. Something about everyone being good Catholics, not getting divorced and I dont do married men.

Anyway, while I have found that I can date and have dated. It has been very very hard. But I dont know how much of it is the culture difference, the small pool of decent (meaning guys without some serious hangups) men my age to date or the fact that I am a large-sized woman. Its probably all of the above.

Living alone in a foreign country has got to be one of the lonliest experiences around. Esp. in a podunk town where everyone tells me that to have a social life I have to get married Shocked

There are time where I sooooo much would like to have a "wife" (in the helpmate sense, not the sexual... Im too hard-wired as a heterosexual for that). I do believe that having a partner, esp. a Mexican one, would make life a lot easier for me. But I cant live my life simply looking for that.

I did the marriage thing for 14 years, 13 years too long - trying to be a "good wife" While I do not want to be "desperate" and certainly wont marry a guy just to be married. But part of me would really, really like to have a stable relationship - married or not.

How's that for a nice, convoluted answer?
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 9650
Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am curious to hear about peoples' experiences in this area whether you are single or attached. Some questions I am particularly interested in are:

Did you give any thought to this before embarking?


I was single when I arrived, and thinking about career, travel, and writing. Anything on the side was on the side and not part of any plan.

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If so, what were your conclusions?


That I should have brought many more decent condoms from home.

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For those who are involved/married/etc to a foreigner;

Did you intend to stay in that country permanantly before you met your spouse/partner?


No, that decision was made after getting married.

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Have you talked about/considered relocating to your home country?


Very often. It is sometimes a source of friction.

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Have you talked about/considered relocating to a country neutral to the both of you?


I brought that up, but there isn't another country that would suit our mutual needs.

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Are there any relationship challenges that you think are unique to your situation?


Yes. I'm always right and she's always wrong, but she's having a really hard time accepting that.
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capricious



Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 24

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Courchesne, with due respect, are you claiming that you never make mistakes?[/quote]
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

capricious wrote:
Mr. Courchesne, with due respect, are you claiming that you never make mistakes?
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No. I made a mistake once. The mistake was to take myself seriously. I won't repeat that error again.
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capricious



Joined: 10 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy, I can understand those (to some extent) who don't take "life" seriously, but what does not taking "oneself" seriously mean exactly?
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I am curious to hear about peoples' experiences in this area whether you are single or attached. Some questions I am particularly interested in are:

Did you give any thought to this before embarking?
Yes. But coming to teach was not my first time living in Japan. Plus, I was/am not the youthful hormone-filled fresh college grad that so many are.

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If so, what were your conclusions?

Far too many "Charisma Man" types here.
http://www.charismaman.com/

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For those who are involved/married/etc to a foreigner;

Did you intend to stay in that country permanantly before you met your spouse/partner?

No.

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Have you talked about/considered relocating to your home country?
Yes, but the jury is still out on that one.

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Have you talked about/considered relocating to a country neutral to the both of you?
No.

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Are there any relationship challenges that you think are unique to your situation?
Unique to whom? I have a child and a wife. The usual (not unique) challenges with that relationship are obvious:
language barrier for my wife if we relocate,
suitable eduation for my child,
maintaining culture of one's home country (hers or mine),
ability to maintain a cost of living by teaching English in a land where the norm is a short-term contract before you are booted out the door, where bank interest is a measly 0.1%, and where one has to work 25 years uninterrupted before being eligible to collect a paltry pension.
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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: finally home-ish

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very timely questions... I had never really thought I would be able to have a good relationship with a non-westerner, for a bajillion reasons (most of them related to the fact that I am too damn westernized and independent and refuse to fit into a rigid classification of what a "woman" should be and do), but with just a month and a half left in Peru I met the most awesome guy... I've got a flight home booked and no more contract or visa, but I don't want to go! Looks like I will be returning to Peru.

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FGT



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
Posts: 762
Location: Turkey

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done, Denise - good luck to you!

In answer to the questions:
I thought about the possibility of meeting and falling for a native of the country but never to that of involvement with a fellow ex-pat from somewhere else.

I thought about a neutral country (not for myself but for others involved in "mixed" marriages). I have friends who've chosen that path and it seems to work well for them, possibly better than those who stay or go to the other person's country.
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khmerhit



Joined: 31 May 2003
Posts: 1874
Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me put it this way--I will be sending a significant amount in child support to another country this week, which has taken me ten weeks to get together. Was it still worth the madness? Yes. You cant plan these things, you know.
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White_Elephant



Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 175

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
I am curious about white elephant's response. do you love me Wink


Are you a dog? Because I could really use a dog right now, especially if you look like this cutie:



The thing about dogs is that they are loyal and if you keep a good eye on them they shouldn't run away. I think people have a lot to learn from dogs.
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 5309
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing all that exotic for me. My wife is Cdn like me, but she was born in England so not entirely the same.

We met in university 15 years and like myself, loves to travel. We have probably been to 40 + countries together, including 8 months backpacking in Europe and later another 5 months in SE ASIA. Now with a 3rd baby on the way, we are still going strong. I can safely say that without her, I doubt I would be so easily be able to live overseas. She has kept me sane.

Our oldest who is almost 5 is probably the best traveler I have eveer met. She has seen so much already, can sleep anywhere without complaint, and can amuse herself for 8 hours on a bumpy bus in the Vietnam highlands with just a piece of plastic. Life has been great and now we are thinking about where we will head next to live. 5 years in Japan is about enough for us.
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gaijinalways



Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Posts: 2279

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Met my wife in NYC, married here. Been 8 years, some bumps, still deciding on where to move to, most likely Hawaii in the future (wife's idea, half way point between Japan and the mainland US).

As to my original plans when I came here, none. Japan was the third palce I lived in outside of the US, I could have just as easily gotten a marriage partner in one of the other places.

No kids, just one spoiled cat, who often shows me you can sleep and forget about your problems, at least for a while Wink . Haven't traveled quite as much as Gordan, but I am working on it.
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