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GirlfromCanada



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject: need for vaccines & prevalence of illness in Mexico Reply with quote

Hi!...Just read an article in Toronto's Globe and Mail this morning. Says that 40% of people travelling to Mexico become ill with travellers diarrhea...and possibly malaria etc....

Is it really that bad?? When I travelled in the Playacar area last winter I stayed healthy...I also watched what I ate but I have to admit that worrying about what to eat and drink dampened my experience somewhat. Some of my colleagues did get sick (stomach issues).

can I get your feelings on this? Do you guys keep healthy? Any advice?? What about Malaria ...do you live with DEET??

Thanks Smile
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of malaria being an issue here. Perhaps only in the hot jungle areas of the deep south? Did the Globe n Mail article mention dengue? You'll find that too, but it's not that common. Geurrero state and city officials run an awareness program for mosquito control every rainy season.

We are discussing health issues in Latin America over at http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=44369 Maybe that will be helpful

40% sounds high to me, but I guess it fits with the notion of Mexico. 40% of what people? Those that vacation in Cancun two weeks per year? Those that backpack all over the country?

I got Moctezuma's Revenge the first weekend I'd arrived here, then never got it again. I chalked it up to different food and different organisms in the environment.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say 40% of those traveling to this corner of the country on short vacations sounds about right. I agree with what Guy mentioned, that a lot has to do with the type of vacation as well as the climate in the particular part of the country.

For those who stay here (in this part of the country) on a long-term basis, I'd say the percentage is closer to 90%. I can't think of many people I know who have stayed long-term and not had at least one bout with the bichos (parasites/amoebas.) I'd say it's about the same percentage for locals, actually. Lots of locals and long-term foreigners standardly take "the treatment" (quinfamida) every 7 to 9 months or whenever the need arises.
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GirlfromCanada



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks Guy....I checked out that link. I'm happy to hear that people are keeping healthy down there. That's good news!

The article was referring to travellers staying at resorts.

Is there any types of foods I should avoid? Is it true that everything must be either peeled, boiled or cooked? Will I have to give up my fresh vegs and fruits (unless they're peeled, boiled or cooked?) thanks
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avoid peeled fruit or fruit n cream sold on the streets, unless you watch them peel it. That said, in DF, there are many stands that make liquados or milkshakes. Very popular and healthy. They peel the fruit in front of you and are renowned for being healthy, though you would want to avoid any such stands that are obviously very dirty.

There a million and one foods cooked and sold on the street. A general rule of thumb I use is that if a place is popular, it's probably ok, since Mexicans get sick too. If it's barren, I'll avoid it. I eat street tacos or quesadillas almost every day.

Otherwise, you might be surprised by how clean established restaurants are...then there are the run-down looking mom n pop places. Again, who's eating there? Full? Empty?

Do wash your store or stall-bought veggies and fruit well. It's easy to get bottles of iodine drops or some other anti-bacterial. I just wash in tap water and I'm fine.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: need for vaccines & prevalence of illness in Mexico Reply with quote

GirlfromCanada wrote:
Says that 40% of people travelling to Mexico become ill with travellers diarrhea...and possibly malaria etc....

I wouldn't be surprised that 40% of the travellers ANYWHERE get sick. If you travel enough, you get sick - it's part and parcel with travelling in strange new environments and being exposed to new germs.

Malaria? In my 2.5 years in Mexico I've never met or heard of anyone catching malaria. Now, dengue on the other hand, that's a completely different story.

As for vaccinations, I'd say talk to your local travel health centre: they'll likely recommend shots for hep A + B, tetanus, and a few other things.
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GirlfromCanada



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is dengue really common? Have you had it? Unfortunately mosquitoes really LOVE me. I was bitten quite a bit in Playacar but nothing came of it. What can you do to prevent dengue? thanks
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ls650



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, on my campus there are about 1000 students and staff. In the last year or so, maybe a dozen people here have caught dengue, so I guess that means there was a roughly 1% chance of catching dengue in the last year. YMMV, but it's not exactly a raging plague.

I don't think it's something to be too concerned about: you could stay in your home country and be run over by a bus. You have to take chances if you want an interesting life.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GirlfromCanada wrote:
Is dengue really common? Have you had it? Unfortunately mosquitoes really LOVE me. I was bitten quite a bit in Playacar but nothing came of it. What can you do to prevent dengue? thanks

Yes, I've had it. For a week I felt as though I'd have to get better just to feel well enough to die. It took me a good 3 months to get back to feeling almost normal again.

Lots of promos on TV and radio here to help cut down on the number of cases of dengue, mostly urging people to remove things that hold water that mosquitoes breed in. Used to have people who came door to door to check yards and patios for anything that could be breeding places for mosquitoes.

About all you can do for preventive measures is try not to be bitten by mosquitoes, i.e., use repellent, avoid places where there are lots of mosquitoes, and stay indoors at times when they're most active.
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MikeySaid



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

typhoid is another one that can get you...

at most grocery stores you can pick up something to rinse your veggies in, and most people who can take this precaution...

i was vaccinated against typhoid (i think?) before i went to mexico in 2003...
at least, i think that was one of the vaccinations i got.

my suggestion would be to go to your local health provider, tell them where you intend to go and where it is possible that you could go. as i understand it, malaria is something you get pills for while you're in an area where infection is possible...

keep your veggies clean, get your vaccinations, and don't be afraid of the puestos... some of the best mexican food there is can be found on the streets of that beautiful country.
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samizinha



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The water bothered me for the first week, and I quickly built an immunity- I accidently drank from the tap once and nothing happened.
As for other problems... I�ve had a terrible time in this country with my stomach, including food poisoning, gastritis, parasites, and infections. It has been a very painful and expensive problem to solve. I used to eat at all sorts of popular food stands and markets, but my personal rule now is that if the place doesn�t have a sink, I won�t eat there. I have actually considered not renewing my contract because of my poor stomach, so we�ll see...
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danielita



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:

There a million and one foods cooked and sold on the street. A general rule of thumb I use is that if a place is popular, it's probably ok, since Mexicans get sick too.


Great advice Guy! I second that. There is this food stand down the steet from me that is always busy and often you can't find a place to sit/stand. That's always a good sign. I have eaten there a quite few times with no problems at all.

Another tip is to wash your hands before you eat or handle food. Most people from America/Canada only wash their hands after going to the bathroom or when they are visibly dirty. You would be amazed at the sort of germs that can cling to your hands and can give you nasty bouts of stomach illnesses. Keep a bottle of antibacterial hand cleanser on hand and use it.

As for ordering salads in restaurants, I don't think twice about it. Restaurants want to stay in business. They are not going to risk their business washing something in bad/untreated water.

D
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J Sevigny



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going to be here for a long time, I think you just have to accept that you're going to get the runs, probably toward the beginning of your stay. It's happened to just about every foreigner I know.

Due to a lot of recent rain, which helps mosquitoes spawn, we're having a pretty big Dengue problem here in Jalisco but mostly in urban areas. Dengue generally doesn't kill people but I've heard that people who get it often wish they were dead.

We're also having a strange situation here this week in which people are getting sick and dying from eating beef from cows who'd been given some sort of illegal steroid to make them fat.

I've never heard of anyone here getting malaria.
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GirlfromCanada



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your advice! so......will I have trouble eating my normal diet which is mainly chicken, fish, veggies, fruits and pasta dishes? I love the Mediterranean diet. Can I get those foods in abundance in Mexico or will it be beans and tacos? Smile
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GirlfromCanada wrote:
... will I have trouble eating my normal diet which is mainly chicken, fish, veggies, fruits and pasta dishes?

A lot will depend on where in Mexico, I think. The normal diet you mentioned is about the same as what I usually eat . . . minus the pasta and adding eggs, refried beans, rice, and tortillas to the list.
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