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johncanada24
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
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 Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: Am I Expecting Too Much Or should I just wait? |
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Hello everyone !
This is officially my first post and I do have a couple questions about getting a job in Japan or Korea or tawain. Here is my current status
- I am canadian
- I'm 24 years old
- Have a 2 year college degree
- Completed TOEFL course at Oxford Seminar in Canada
- Have a vaild passport
- I have no visa whatsoever
- Have some experience with tutoring adults and I'm generally good with kids
I am currently having issues paying off my debts because of the lack of good jobs in my area. That is part of the reason as to why im teaching but coindently I LOVE to teach and help students. I am finding it extremly difficult saving money to fund my teaching adventures so I'm willing to go the cheapest way to get to japan EVEN if I have to teach in korea or tawain for a couple of months to get to japan then I will but my overall final destination is JAPAN! I have been told many times that tawain is the cheapest and best place to start. Given my status am I asking to much if I'm requesting this from a school in any country or place close to Japan?
- Free flight
- Visa sponsorship
- Accomidations or ( assistance with it )
Right now I am tired of waiting and post poning my trip. I feel that i will be ready around march or april at the moment but if I'm offered whats above then I'm out asap. Any suggestions? Much appreciated thanks! |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Am I Expecting Too Much Or should I just wait? |
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| johncanada24 wrote: |
Hello everyone !
This is officially my first post and I do have a couple questions about getting a job in Japan or Korea or tawain. Here is my current status
- I am canadian
- I'm 24 years old
- Have a 2 year college degree
- Completed TOEFL course at Oxford Seminar in Canada
- Have a vaild passport
- I have no visa whatsoever
- Have some experience with tutoring adults and I'm generally good with kids
I am currently having issues paying off my debts because of the lack of good jobs in my area. That is part of the reason as to why im teaching but coindently I LOVE to teach and help students. I am finding it extremly difficult saving money to fund my teaching adventures so I'm willing to go the cheapest way to get to japan EVEN if I have to teach in korea or tawain for a couple of months to get to japan then I will but my overall final destination is JAPAN! I have been told many times that tawain is the cheapest and best place to start. Given my status am I asking to much if I'm requesting this from a school in any country or place close to Japan?
- Free flight
- Visa sponsorship
- Accomidations or ( assistance with it )
Right now I am tired of waiting and post poning my trip. I feel that i will be ready around march or april at the moment but if I'm offered whats above then I'm out asap. Any suggestions? Much appreciated thanks! |
2 year college degree will make things tough for you, even in Korea...but go to Korea first then Japan... |
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johncanada24
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: College degree |
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Yeah i kinda figured it would be difficult with only a college degree.
Is there any possible way I can pay for a one way ticket instead of a two way and still get a holiday visa in regards to my situation?
Seems as though most institues favour Uni-Students ...its pretty harsh I tell ya. Shouldn't of quit my computer science degree...but then again I was not enjoying it so i think i made the right decision. |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: College degree |
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| johncanada24 wrote: |
Yeah i kinda figured it would be difficult with only a college degree.
Is there any possible way I can pay for a one way ticket instead of a two way and still get a holiday visa in regards to my situation?
Seems as though most institues favour Uni-Students ...its pretty harsh I tell ya. Shouldn't of quit my computer science degree...but then again I was not enjoying it so i think i made the right decision. |
My advice...forget about EFL in Asia...few people really enjoy it; they do it for all number of reasons, very few of them do it because they like it: number one reasons are paying off debts, getting lost in booze and drugs or just not knowing what to do...again the best piece of advice I have for you is to pursue IT, make lots of money and be happy. EFL is a not a real career for most people, it is a stopover...if I had studied something practical I would not be in EFL now...that's my point of view...BUSINESS, SCIENCE and COMPUTERS are the only viable fields now...good luck |
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canuck
Joined: 11 May 2003
Posts: 1921
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Am I Expecting Too Much Or should I just wait? |
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| johncanada24 wrote: |
Hello everyone !
This is officially my first post and I do have a couple questions about getting a job in Japan or Korea or tawain. Here is my current status
- I am canadian
- I'm 24 years old
- Have a 2 year college degree
- Completed TOEFL course at Oxford Seminar in Canada
- Have a vaild passport
- I have no visa whatsoever
- Have some experience with tutoring adults and I'm generally good with kids
I am currently having issues paying off my debts because of the lack of good jobs in my area. That is part of the reason as to why im teaching but coindently I LOVE to teach and help students. I am finding it extremly difficult saving money to fund my teaching adventures so I'm willing to go the cheapest way to get to japan EVEN if I have to teach in korea or tawain for a couple of months to get to japan then I will but my overall final destination is JAPAN! I have been told many times that tawain is the cheapest and best place to start. Given my status am I asking to much if I'm requesting this from a school in any country or place close to Japan?
- Free flight
- Visa sponsorship
- Accomidations or ( assistance with it )
Right now I am tired of waiting and post poning my trip. I feel that i will be ready around march or april at the moment but if I'm offered whats above then I'm out asap. Any suggestions? Much appreciated thanks! |
Come on a working holiday visa to Japan. You'll have a tough time getting a 1 or 3 year visa. You won't get a job that will offer you a free flight. Almost all schools will help you find an apartment. Do your one year and figure out what to do after that. |
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furiousmilksheikali
Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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If you are Canadian then you can apply for a working holiday visa. You do not need to have a four-year degree to do this. You can work for an eikaiwa (English conversation school) for about one year and please don't pay attention to Deicide. He doesn't even live in the country and he's from a country that doesn't permit working holiday visas. He is therefore useless as a provider of good advice.
If you want more information please PM me. |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
If you are Canadian then you can apply for a working holiday visa. You do not need to have a four-year degree to do this. You can work for an eikaiwa (English conversation school) for about one year and please don't pay attention to Deicide. He doesn't even live in the country and he's from a country that doesn't permit working holiday visas. He is therefore useless as a provider of good advice.
If you want more information please PM me. |
The guy included Korea, which I DO know about. In Korea they will pay for the flight, flat and just about anything else. That is what he was getting at as for my opinions about EFL...I welcome you to challenge them in any meaningful way. Science, IT and Business are much better options than EFL and the guy studied computer science so it would be reasonable to pursue just that... |
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johncanada24
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
If you are Canadian then you can apply for a working holiday visa. You do not need to have a four-year degree to do this. You can work for an eikaiwa (English conversation school) for about one year and please don't pay attention to Deicide. He doesn't even live in the country and he's from a country that doesn't permit working holiday visas. He is therefore useless as a provider of good advice.
If you want more information please PM me. |
Thankyou for your suggestions guys.
My proffession coincidently happpens to be in IT as that is what my college degree is. When I go about my travels I am keepin an open mind to IT positions so teaching english is in someway a stop over for me but it keeps on top of my student loans.
Japan has always sprouted interest for me but it appears that I won't be going directly there simply because start up costs are so high. The only way I'll go there is if I
1. Get sponsored for a work holiday visa over seas & have accomadations arranged
Or 2
2. They pay for my flight over
I would prefer to go directly to Japan but my problem is applying for a work holiday visa OVER seas. i simply can not get sponsered overseas because i do not have a UNI degree. Or am i wrong?
Truly appreciate your feedback guys and yes I am interested in Korea if they offer a free flight and assist with accomadations given my credentials. |
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furiousmilksheikali
Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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johncanada24's posting on the Japan forum would suggest his priorities are here.
As would this:
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| EVEN if I have to teach in korea or tawain for a couple of months to get to japan then I will but my overall final destination is JAPAN! |
To the OP: You certainly don't need to go to Korea before going to Japan, despite Deicide's misguided recommendations. You can come to Japan first. Deicide pointed out that a two-year degree is not ideal for starting out in Japan but if you are interested in teaching on a working holiday visa then you can do it and there is absolutely no reason why you should go through Korea first.
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| My advice...forget about EFL in Asia...few people really enjoy it; they do it for all number of reasons, very few of them do it because they like it: number one reasons are paying off debts, getting lost in booze and drugs or just not knowing what to do...again the best piece of advice I have for you is to pursue IT, make lots of money and be happy. EFL is a not a real career for most people, it is a stopover...if I had studied something practical I would not be in EFL now...that's my point of view...BUSINESS, SCIENCE and COMPUTERS are the only viable fields now...good luck |
This is basically not answering your question at all and is, at best, stupid advice. Deicide is presuming to know what you want whereas I am replying, from a knowledgable standpoint, your question. Deicide doesn't live here. He shouldn't feature in your calculations. |
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canuck
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
If you are Canadian then you can apply for a working holiday visa. You do not need to have a four-year degree to do this. You can work for an eikaiwa (English conversation school) for about one year and please don't pay attention to Deicide. He doesn't even live in the country and he's from a country that doesn't permit working holiday visas. He is therefore useless as a provider of good advice.
If you want more information please PM me. |
Thankyou for your suggestions guys.
My proffession coincidently happpens to be in IT as that is what my college degree is. When I go about my travels I am keepin an open mind to IT positions so teaching english is in someway a stop over for me but it keeps on top of my student loans.
Japan has always sprouted interest for me but it appears that I won't be going directly there simply because start up costs are so high. The only way I'll go there is if I
1. Get sponsored for a work holiday visa over seas & have accomadations arranged
Or 2
2. They pay for my flight over
I would prefer to go directly to Japan but my problem is applying for a work holiday visa OVER seas. i simply can not get sponsered overseas because i do not have a UNI degree. Or am i wrong?
Truly appreciate your feedback guys and yes I am interested in Korea if they offer a free flight and assist with accomadations given my credentials. |
You apply for a working holiday visa from within Canada. You just have to have a passport, money to show you can support yourself, plans to buy a plane ticket, fill out an application and work on your spelling. You don't need a sponsor for a working holiday visa. You come with enough money for a while to help during your job search or you get a job over the internet saying that you will get a working holiday visa if they accept you. |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
johncanada24's posting on the Japan forum would suggest his priorities are here.
As would this:
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| EVEN if I have to teach in korea or tawain for a couple of months to get to japan then I will but my overall final destination is JAPAN! |
To the OP: You certainly don't need to go to Korea before going to Japan, despite Deicide's misguided recommendations. You can come to Japan first. Deicide pointed out that a two-year degree is not ideal for starting out in Japan but if you are interested in teaching on a working holiday visa then you can do it and there is absolutely no reason why you should go through Korea first.
| Deicide wrote: |
| My advice...forget about EFL in Asia...few people really enjoy it; they do it for all number of reasons, very few of them do it because they like it: number one reasons are paying off debts, getting lost in booze and drugs or just not knowing what to do...again the best piece of advice I have for you is to pursue IT, make lots of money and be happy. EFL is a not a real career for most people, it is a stopover...if I had studied something practical I would not be in EFL now...that's my point of view...BUSINESS, SCIENCE and COMPUTERS are the only viable fields now...good luck |
This is basically not answering your question at all and is, at best, stupid advice. Deicide is presuming to know what you want whereas I am replying, from a knowledgable standpoint, your question. Deicide doesn't live here. He shouldn't feature in your calculations. |
I was offering the man my opinions, what he does with them is ultimately up to him...as far as not starting off in Japan we do not know what his cash situation is like and if he doesn't have enough cash to get by...then all of this advice is for naught... |
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furiousmilksheikali
Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| I was offering the man my opinions |
Your opinions are worthless.
They aren't answers to the OP's question. |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| I was offering the man my opinions |
Your opinions are worthless.
They aren't answers to the OP's question. |
Do you mean that my opinions are worthless in a universal sense, which would be a difficult call to make based alone on dave's or only within the context of the question? If the latter then you may be right, if the former is implied then I ask you to bring out sufficient evidence to justify the claim...
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furiousmilksheikali
Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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| Deicide wrote: |
| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| I was offering the man my opinions |
Your opinions are worthless.
They aren't answers to the OP's question. |
Do you mean that my opinions are worthless in a universal sense, which would be a difficult call to make based alone on dave's or only within the context of the question? If the latter then you may be write, if the former is implied then I ask you to bring out sufficient evidence to justify the claim... |
Okay, Deicide, as you've conceded your comments that I've read are mostly worthless, however you may be encouraged to know that I don't think that about everything you believe. The writer in my avatar has a new book out next year - "God is Not Great". I hope you and I can discuss it at length when it is published. |
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Deicide
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| I was offering the man my opinions |
Your opinions are worthless.
They aren't answers to the OP's question. |
Do you mean that my opinions are worthless in a universal sense, which would be a difficult call to make based alone on dave's or only within the context of the question? If the latter then you may be write, if the former is implied then I ask you to bring out sufficient evidence to justify the claim... |
Okay, Deicide, as you've conceded your comments that I've read are mostly worthless, however you may be encouraged to know that I don't think that about everything you believe. The writer in my avatar has a new book out next year - "God is Not Great". I hope you and I can discuss it at length when it is published. |
Yes...I refer you to the following books: Sam Harris; the End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation; Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion
www.samharris.org full of interviews, a great forum for secularists and tons of interesting stuff... |
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