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wailing_imam
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 Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: Raffles - Shanghai |
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Dear All,
I just saw a post for this school advertised. It looks quite interesting. Does anyone know anything about this school or have any experiences to share? I believe it is foreign owned. |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Lanzhou
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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The head office is in Singapopre.
The admin people are great.
The students are below average.
Money is ok but not great for the hours. |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| Malsol wrote: |
The students are below average.
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You just described 99.99% of all Chinese students... |
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cj750
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Location: Beijing
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:29 am Post subject: |
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I have worked for this corporation and would not work for them again...
the profit sharing is non existence...
they will transfer you with out your approval..
the top level management expect you to treat them like kings...
delays in salary increases are common..
hours are long with additional unpaid marketing forays...
any other information or contact with additional Raffles ex-employees..contact me through PM
the amount you make at Raffles can easily be reproduced at another school without the additional responsibilities that this company will heap on you...
they use to ay around 10K (no housing or ticket)for starting ESL teachers..not sure what they are offering now... |
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Sinobear
Joined: 24 Aug 2004
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Location: Purgatory
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
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I second cj750's appraisal. I, too, can provide further details via pm.
Cheers! |
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prof
Joined: 25 Jun 2004
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Location: Boston/China
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Are people still even considering working for this Mill?
You don't need a degree of any sort to work there. So it might appeal to some people. But for anyone with a degree it's a joke. |
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cj750
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| When I worked for them they did require a degree..at least for the English teacher..but the business teachers ..just had to have experience..like the international business teacher..he had been a fast food manager for an American based franchise in Singapore... |
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saint57
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Beyond the Dune Sea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Hey Prof, that's Nao Oikawa in your avatar GIF. If you've seen any of her other work, you'd forgive her. She's an ex porn star. |
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KES
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| saint57 wrote: |
| Hey Prof, that's Nao Oikawa in your avatar GIF. If you've seen any of her other work, you'd forgive her. She's an ex porn star. |
That's looks exactly like the Harbin Polar Exhibit. I didn't see her there however. Just the bears. |
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wailing_imam
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| You don't need a degree to work there? Are you sure? This is RAFFLES INSTITUTE OF DESIGN, based at Donghua University. |
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prof
Joined: 25 Jun 2004
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Location: Boston/China
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| wailing_imam wrote: |
| You don't need a degree to work there? Are you sure? This is RAFFLES INSTITUTE OF DESIGN, based at Donghua University. |
My friend, I'm very tough and will call out the scam artists and frauds here. But I will honestly assist those who honestly want to work hard, work smart, do a good job and see EFL as a profession.
Over the past 6+ years there have been hundreds of EFL teachers who have come and gone from Donghua's Mill.
Yes, many of those of people did not have degrees.
RAFFLES is not what you think it is. It's a money making venture geared to register as much tuition profit as possible. That's it. |
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prof
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| saint57 wrote: |
| Hey Prof, that's Nao Oikawa in your avatar GIF. If you've seen any of her other work, you'd forgive her. She's an ex porn star. |
Dam!
Lucky I triple wrapped for that one.
Gotta trust your instincts on these things. |
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Gregor
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Malsol wrote:
The students are below average. |
You just described 99.99% of all Chinese students... |
That makes absolutely no sense at all.
By the way, China as a nation requires a degree before they'll issue a Z visa or FEC. If you don't have one, you can fake one, and if you don't want to fake one and/or are unaware of the requirement, your employer will fake one for you. The government won't check. They won't know the difference, and no one really cares (so why the requirement? Who knows?). And that is pretty much that. |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Lanzhou
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Gregor there are many ways to work in China with no degree, faked or earned. Happens rather regularly. I will just mention 2 because I would not like to see this site become a "How To Manual" for illegal workers.
"L" or "F" visas. |
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Gregor
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Gregor there are many ways to work in China with no degree, faked or earned. |
Oh, I know. I understand that. But there is a requirement, set by the government. I'm just saying that it's not legal. A large number of places will actually hire people with an F visa and those are fairly easy to get. But it's not hard to find a place that will help you get the Z visa and then you're in full compliance.
I don't suppose that's so important for people who just want to come out to China for a year or two. But it's a more or less semi-permanent home for me because of my wife, and we own a home there and so on. It feels good to be here legally. |
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