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redeyes



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: PET, IELTS exam and HCT Reply with quote

Which exam classes are taught at HCT? I gather from some very helpful PM's that PET and IELTS are the main ones ? How about US exams? Is the main focus on Cambridge exams?
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kaw



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This semester was the last to do the PET exam as far as I know. All students are now doing IELTS.
The KCA (end of year exam for Diploma Foundation) seems to be based on the KET exam and so many mid and end of semester exams also based on this.
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redeyes



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for yor response. Can I ask, why the emphasis on British Exams? Are the HCT staff Anglophiles, or do they simply prefer the British system?

I have always enjoyed teaching IELTS -- Is TOEFL also a popular option at HCT ?
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HCT doesn't do TOEFL, but ZU does.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless things have changed you do not 'teach' the test. You teach normal EFL classes and they take the exams at intervals. (long intervals...) At most once a year... IELTS used to be the exam that they took at the very end of their studies only. (like TOEFL, the IELTS-based are totally useless for deciding which levels students should be in) In my years in the Gulf, I never taught a "test prep" course nor were they offered. (though I did in the US and at AUC in Egypt where it was offered in Adult education)

I feel that they are really a complete waste of time that students could be using better to improve their academic English skills... though the students can benefit from a couple classes getting familiar with the format. If they are comfortable with the format, it is more likely to test their language.

HCT has always been oriented towards the British system, whereas ZU was more American. But, over time the edges have all been blurred. Cool

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

saluki wrote:
HCT doesn't do TOEFL, but ZU does.

ZU no longer uses the TOEFL. They're on the IELTS bandwagon. I interviewed w/ a number of employers in the UAE, and they all said that the post-secondary institutions were moving away from the TOEFL.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HCT love tests..........progress tests......mid semester tests.....more progress tests.....end of semster tests......
Students at Diploma level need IELTS (GT) band 4.5 to graduate and HD need 6 (I think).

I don't know why they have chosen IELTS over TOEFL - but I much prefer it - maybe it's becasue I am a Brit and found TOEFL far too focused on events in American History to be even remotely interesting.......no offence meant and this was several years ago.
It's probably also easier to actually run the exams as there are many IELTS examiners around and centres that run the exams.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know why they have chosen IELTS over TOEFL - but I much prefer it - maybe it's becasue I am a Brit and found TOEFL far too focused on events in American History to be even remotely interesting.......no offence meant and this was several years ago.


Smile None taken. The TOEFL is very American-centric. So much for schema when your Emirati student is attempting to read a passage about Thomas Jefferson. I suppose that students attending English medium universities in their home countries is not at the top of the ETS's list when they create exam questions.


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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kaw wrote:
I don't know why they have chosen IELTS over TOEFL.

Well, let me contribute with my two riyals in this important topic of TOEFL vesus IELTS.

It seems to me that the TOEFL exam is considered by some students as �them�, them means �Uncle Sam� or �American� and therefore not good! Laughing
IELTS is acceptable because is not �American�!

Now there is a high competition between TOEFL and IELTS, especially in China and India. And now in the USA, the IELTS has become a force, where some colleges and universities are accepting IELTS on equal footing with TOEFL, and because of this, the IELTS is increasing in popularity in China, India, and other third world countries.
In addition, IELTS is using Internet-based testing and adopting a sliding scale in fees, which makes it very popular in poor third world countries.

And lastly, the TOEFL exam, especially the speaking test, is more rigid compared to the IELTS one.
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It seems to me that the TOEFL exam is considered by some students as �them�, them means �Uncle Sam� or �American� and therefore not good!
IELTS is acceptable because is not �American�!


Even if this is true, this is not the reason post-secondary institutions in the UAE are moving away from it.

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Now there is a high competition between TOEFL and IELTS, especially in China and India. And now in the USA, the IELTS has become a force, where some colleges and universities are accepting IELTS on equal footing with TOEFL, and because of this, the IELTS is increasing in popularity in China, India, and other third world countries.
In addition, IELTS is using Internet-based testing and adopting a sliding scale in fees, which makes it very popular in poor third world countries.


The TOEFL is also offered as an internet-based exam. It is actually the poorer countries in the world that still rely upon the paper and pencil TOEFL-not the ibt, for obvious reasons.
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redeyes



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mishmumkin wrote --

"So much for schema when your Emirati student is attempting to read a passage about Thomas Jefferson. I suppose that students attending English medium universities in their home countries is not at the top of the ETS's list when they create exam questions."


Exactly --


To me, that is the curious thing about both exams, IELTS and TOEFL -- Both typically feature really dry, dull and flat reading exercises.

Preparing students to sit an important exam shouldn't somehow automatically mean that the practice texts themselves have to be banal in the extreme -- But the IELTS books are full of the dullest texts imaginable. In the past, I have taught reading classes on such riveting topics as how insects move their food from place to place, on how the rainfall in Australia differs from that of New Guinea , how erosion in the Highlands differs from erosion in the Welsh valleys and so on.....

I often feel sorry for my students having to wade through these exercises on a dull Monday morning.....

Ok, I know the reading practices need to be practical and vocational -- but does that mean they have to be so unutterably dull?

(I remember discussing this very point with a prominent Longman CAE/CPE text book writer in Oxford -- he looked puzzled when I suggested EFL authors should try and make the readings not only practical -- but interesting. He looked as if he was considering a new idea! What, practical AND interesting? Isn't that asking too much? Lol.....)

The same can be said of many mainstream writing/reading coursebooks -- I was recently asked to use a book which featured really deeply invigorating and inspiring reading texts -- amongst them were reading exercises regarding how to make a tortoise house, and errr....urrmm.....how to make an omellete.

I politely declined the offer of the book, and suggested another text might be better.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How to make a tortoise house really does sound very interesting and am sure it's something our guys in Saudi would like to have a go at - well.....it would give them something to do Smile
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which exam classes are taught at HCT?


HCT dumped PET for Diploma students the day before the last day of last semester. Taps was played two weeks ago at an urban center's men's and women's colleges.

Now it's IELTS GT prep from the day the students pass the first year of Diploma Foundations and IELTS AC prep from the day the students pass the first year of Higher Diploma Foundations. It makes testing so much easier to photocopy released test papers or practice tests published in books than for teachers to write their own and it's a lot less time-consuming. Oh yeah, that's right, the only problem is every IELTS paper is a proficiency test capable of identifying non-users as well as expert users. OK, then my solution will be to slide the pass mark, good thinking you HCT administrator!
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaw wrote --

"How to make a tortoise house really does sound very interesting and am sure it's something our guys in Saudi would like to have a go at - well.....it would give them something to do"

Brilliant! I think a few of my students would benefit from it too, particularly the ones that always sit at the back with a perpetually shell shocked expression on their faces! Laughing
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Takahiwai



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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: IELTS Reply with quote

Well, spare a thought for the folks who are teaching in lower levels of education, at least in the Emirate of Abu Dhabi. ADEC (Abu Dhabi Education Council) now controls a vast number of schools in the emirate and they have decreed that all those teaching Maths, Science and IT should obtain an Academic IELTS result of 5.5 by the end of next year. English teachers must obtain 6.5. Because their remit extends to kindergartens, and kindergarten teachers teach all subjects, they must obtain 5.5 too. So, the brilliant plan for 'emiratisation' of schools puts yet more pressure on teachers who aren't brimming over with enthusiasm in the first place. Now we hear that MS, the Emirati figurehead of ADEC, has been sacked today, so all bets are off as to the future of primary and secondary education in Abu Dhabi.
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