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Crime, Thought, and Why Mexico City

 
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corporatehuman



Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Crime, Thought, and Why Mexico City Reply with quote

I currently live in Chiapas, which is very nice, very beautiful, green misty mountains, lots of wide open space...

I like it here, however, come February 2nd I'll have been here for eight months, and I think its time to move. I am pretty sure I am moving to Mexico City.

I know a lot of people on this board live in Mexico City, have explained their dislikes/likes and I am sort of asking the same thing over again; EXCEPT --

I visited Mexico City for three days. It was daunting, but like most big cities, seemed packed with energy; an explosive amount, many people, activities, I was with a friend and just sort of went from taxi to taxi to taxi through the night not ever knowing where I was going or why (I also didnt speak a word of Spanish then).

What I want to know is what -living- is like in Mexico City. Every Day. Is it exhausting? Is it like in New York where you are always running, commuting, cursing?

I'm not too concerned about the crime, but has anyone here ever dealt with it directly? Mugging, robbery? Everyone in Chiapas of course sees Mexico City as a place of bedlam, literally its like the pit of hell for people here, where people go to go crazy. I have trouble seeing it as this, but I don't feel qualified to see it, or understand it, because I've never lived there.

I'm interested in what daily life is like.



Thanks for your time and I'll probably have more questions later,


Chris
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it exhausting? Is it like in New York where you are always running, commuting, cursing?


It can be if you allow it to be so. Many Mexico City residents have a rhythm...commute from the burbs spending 2 hours in traffic both ways. Idiots and their fascination with the car, I think. Other people live in the city and stick to their area. You can never see it all, and pretty much never need to. Even the TEFLers running from company to company really only go from one zone to another and back, since most classes are grouped in one of only a few business zones.

Same thing with crime..there are some sections of the city where it isn't considered wise to be (for example, wherever M@tt rents an apartment Rolling Eyes ) You need ordinary street smarts to be in some areas. Crime here is mostly economic...somebody maybe lifts your wallet, your bag if you are in the wrong place and not paying attention. Violent crime is rare...Mexico City people tend to see violent crime as something suffered out in the 'provinces'. It's interesting, the perceptual differences.
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samizinha



Joined: 12 May 2005
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Location: Vacalandia

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love Mexico City because it has something for everyone, and for all of my moods. When I�m exhausted from work or wanting to do some reflecting, there are parks, wonderful coffee shops and museums with the best art in the world. When I want to party, there are amazing antros with every type of music and attitude. I�ve also had many experiences of coincidently running into people I know across the city, so it doesn�t even seem that big or crazy.
Getting from place to place can be trying with the traffic or metro cars rammed with people, but I think the city quickly becomes easy to navigate. As a rule I try to commute as little as possible during the week and save it for the weekend so that it doesn�t get to me.
Almost everybody I know here as been mugged or taken on an express kidnapping, but it hasn�t happened to me yet (knock on wood!) and with the precautions I take I generally feel safe.
This city has well known problems, but it�s grown on me so much, I would have a very difficult time leaving it.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

samizinha wrote:
Almost everybody I know here [Mexico City] has been mugged or taken on an express kidnapping . . .

Shocked

Gosh, that sure makes me want to put Mexico City high on my list of places to visit!
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what the "express" value is for an ESL teacher these days.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of it happening to a foreign teacher before, but I figure it would be similar to a Mexican...restricted to what an ATM spits out for the day, often across the midnight line.
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Polly0607



Joined: 10 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy is right. What they can get on an "secuestro express" is around 8,000 pesos. They take you to the bank machine just before midnight and you take out the max of 4,000. Then they take you again just after midnight and you take out the max again.

If you are lucky, maybe you have a credit card or another card they can get the second 4,000 from and you get rid of them fast.

One of my students was forced to leave his girlfriend in the card with a gunman while he took 4,000 from his debit and 4,000 from his credit card. Luckily they let them go after that.

What is more common here in the "provincia" is real, old-fashioned kidnappings. One of our students was almost taken a couple of weeks ago, but his driver crashed through the kidnappers car. Another one of our students was kidnapped and murdered this year. And these are just the ones I hear about.

I don't worry that much about it, because all the kidnappers have to do is look at my English teacher bank account and they rule me out. My teenage students that drive expensive sports cars are not so lucky.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polly0607 wrote:
Guy is right. What they can get on an "secuestro express" is around 8,000 pesos. They take you to the bank machine just before midnight and you take out the max of 4,000. Then they take you again just after midnight and you take out the max again.

Why would someone set his maximum 24-hour withdawal that high, especially if he was concerned about being a victim of a "secuestro express"?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the bank that sets it, or some part of government that oversees banks. I'd always thought it was 3000 and not 4000 though. Maybe it's gone up with inflation.

Is that limit nationwide, or is it just DF? I was told that it's a holdover measure from the '95 crisis to prevent runs on banks. I notice that it only applies to ATMs and not to credit card or debit card swipe machines.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to plead ignorance here. I don't use a bank card with my Mexican bank account. I also rarely use a credit card (once a year for airline tickets.) As for my ATM card for my U.S. bank account, the bank doesn't set the maximum withdrawal limit. I do.
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ls650



Joined: 10 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The maximum on my card is 5000 per day. It's come in handy once or twice.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My max is 3000 (or at least it used to be) I've never been informed of it going up. That's with HSBC. These days I rarely have half that much in the bank! Surprised
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jillford64



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
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Location: Sin City

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a Mexican bank account yet, but my bank in the US set the limit on my ATM card for me at $300 per day. They would probably increase that if I asked them to. There is no limit on a cash withdrawel against my Visa card though. I don't carry either of these cards around with my unless I am specifically going to use them.
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