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NathanRahl
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 509
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: Stranded in Wuhan, any advice? |
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Well, I am currently stranded in Wuhan.
Hooked up with a foreign language school that turned out to basically be a bunch of scumbages.
First off, they tell me I have a job before I even arrive, We negotiate everything from working hours to salary.
Then, when I get here, "Oh, were sorry, we can't hire you."
Turns out they likely found someone else to do it cheaper at the last minute. I did bargain the price up 1,500 rmb, but I am worth every penny.
Now, after telling me I had three days to leave, I got them to give me ten, whoopi. I had a nice apartment where I was, and I up and moved from a nice cushy, and inexpensive part of china, to Wuhan, which is rather pricy.
Don't these schools have any considerations for the lives of other human beings? I don't think so, seems they just care about money, and nothing else.
Anyhow, my main reason for coming here, besides getting a good offer, was that Wuhan is a very rich city, and I want to get into freelancing. However, without the free cushy apartment and employer to sponser me for a visa, I think I am screwed.
Now I can either A, go back to where I was, a rather cheap place to live, but also very poor, with few job oppurtunities, and little chance to make any money. Or, I can stay here, find a place, and take a gamble.
If I had a little more dough, I would do just that. I was just wondering, anyone got any advice?
I already found myself someone to work as my assistant, someone who helped me when I got lost when I arrived, imagine the irony. Anyhow, her englihs is pretty good, and she has proved very able, and can help me find an apartment I think.
She also will help me with placing advertisements, and finding students. However, if I rent a place, I am committed to freelancing here, and I'd have to find students quickly.
So, the safe bet, or the risky one. At this point, it's hard to tell which is which, but I tell you, I am tired of traveling right now, and getting screwed, so I would like to make a go of it here in Wuhan.
If anyone can offer me any advice, helpful hint's, for getting off and running quick in the world of freelance teaching, that would be great.
Also, any insight into working part part time for schools to keep your visa current would also be great, they are all over the place here in wuhan, foreign langauge schools, middle schools, I passed five schools in about ten minutes of walking alone.
Thanks for any insight, help needed very badly, uncharted territory for me, being with a school here. Take care. |
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KES

Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 722
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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No advice on how to work part-time at a school. It goes against the intent of the visa and most employers. I assume you are fully aware what you are proposing (free-lancing) is illegal and puts you in a bit of jeopardy when envious neighbors,teachers and schools report you.
I'm sorry I don't have advice to help you accomplish this. As for insight, I'll offer this, start thinking about switching to Plan B.
Best of luck and keep us posted. |
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WordUp
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 131
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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you can do up to eight students at a time free lancing for it to be legal.. I used to have a copy of the translated legal jargon but I cant seem to find it..
Its kinda a mute point though cause nobody really peeps it out..
Sorry to hear you got swindled.. cheers |
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jammish

Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1704
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm surprised you find Wuhan pricey. It's actually one of the cheaper cities in China. |
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jwbhomer

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 876 Location: CANADA
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: Maybe you should go back where you came from |
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I remember all the pearls you cast before the swine after you joined, with (apparently) next to no experience in China under your belt. Seems to me you got what you deserved. Why don't you just go home? |
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jammish

Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1704
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Because he is a made up character. |
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Steppenwolf
Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 1769
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: |
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...but he is still full of himself: "talked the money up 1500 but am worth every Penny..."
Apparently the would-be employer thought otherwise and who are we to doubt his rationale? |
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jwbhomer

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 876 Location: CANADA
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:44 am Post subject: made up character? |
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Hahahaha... I was about to say I thought I might have been a little hard on him. What I wonder is why anyone would go to all that trouble... |
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NathanRahl
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 509
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:59 am Post subject: |
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I am sorry some of you feel that way. I did not get what I desevred at all, however it seems I was quite right in my initial decision never to post here again. There are just too many higyh and might characters who love to kick a man when he is down, because it has been done to them, or they are just not good people.
I cast pearls amoung swine? I am sorry you feel some of the folks here are swine, what a high and mighty attitude. I don't know what anyone means by made up character. I don't need to defend myself at all. Lot's of folks get swindled who come here, but to treat them so is really quite ludicrous.
I find it funny that, being accused of being so negative, quite a few of you who responded to this post had nothing positive to say.
Sad that all some of you do is look to get a rise out of someone, complete waste of my time asking for advice from people who are too jaded or stuck up, and "full of themseleves" to give any. Someone asks for help, they user it is an oppurtunity to bash him. Asking for help is not easy, it is not a sign of ego, but a lack of one. I think some here only see the glass is half empy. Good bye. |
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NathanRahl
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 509
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: Which is it, Im a newbie, or an oldbie posing as a newbie? |
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Oh, and you geniuses said before that I was someone who had been in china a long time, seeing all I knew. Now you say I am inexperienced and getting what I deserve. I would ask, which is it, can't you make up your mind?
Seems to me that anyone who makes such wild claims, and then retroactively changes them is rather full of themselves, full enough to make such statements, contradict themselves, and just not care. Someone who is that mistaken can't be all that smart. Ahg, but everyone else is swin they must cast pearls before. All I have seen cast from you folks is shite.
Oh, and I already found another position, I ain't going anywhere, but perhaps some of you should, might be good for your negative temperments. And really, if your making such glaring mistakes and just nor caring that you do, might be time to leave the classroom, can't be good to have such an arrogant teacher who is so full of their own righteousness and infallibility.
No more point in posting here, good day. |
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Joe C.

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 993 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:45 am Post subject: Re: Stranded in Wuhan, any advice? |
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NathanRahl wrote: |
Well, I am currently stranded in Wuhan. ... |
Getting screwed over is just part of the China experience unless you are really, really careful ... and even then.
Unless you have a legitimate job with a work visa, I think setting up your own private tutoring enterprise is risky. Also, as you mentioned, doing tutoring as your main source of income can be very economically challenging at first so it is always good to have some kind of stable income to fall back on.
Why don't you go to some of the bigger cities like Beijing or Shanghai? Any reasonably industrious individual can do quite well there. Not sure about Wuhan, though. |
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vikdk
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Well done Nat - yur surviving - so yur doing good! If nuthin else yur posts are teaching the ol' vet pros a thing or two about talkin the talk - just look what I found in another thread today -
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Hey uomo - whadd'ye looking for that you can't find back home? |
Somebody trying to copy your style. Although he ain't quite homed into that "native touch" just yet - this "Nat-disciple" is trying!!! So even if yur off from the boards today - please come back tomorrow - otherwise some of us will miss ya  |
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Bayden

Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 988
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Nathanrahl's a job hopper who did the dirty on a previous employer and now is having it done to him. Karma?
It's people like this who give FTs a bad name.
As for his claim to being a 'real' teacher, well I think his writing speaks for itself.
They must have pretty low standards in that place where he's a real teacher. |
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Bayden

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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:03 am
Post subject: When should you get payed?
I started my school year on the 4th of September. I had hoped that I would get a partial paycheck for one week, seeing as it is kinda unreasonable to expect someone to go longer then a month with no pay. however my employer seems to think otherwise. They do not plan on paying me until the 10th of October. When I said that "hey, I may be american, but even my funds are getting a little low, I need to be paid for that time" they said I might be able to get a "loan" from the headmaster. This, again, sounds fishy to me. I started working for this company last month, should I not be paid something on the 10th, when they pay everyone else? I think I should, simply to take into account the amount of time before my next check. Like I said, this sounds fishy to me, but I don't know, is this typical? Any help would be great, thanks. |
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:47 am
Post subject: Anyone ever hear of Joint Venture schools?
Hi there,
I am in China right now working for a company that calls itself Joint Venture schools? It is run by a fellow named Mister River, who doe's speak English, and is a doctor I believe, his older brother, who doe's not, and a woman named Helen. My online contact was named Kelly, who is in Beijing. I had first got lured to china by an unscrupulous agency, and found this place in my search to escape it, but thats another story. Anyhow, has anyone every heard of this group, and if so are they ok? They have so far provided everything they promised, even reimbursing me for the trip from where I was to where I am now, an expensive first class ticket. On the flip side, they took my passport to get it changed over to a Z, but now I find out they will be waiting until October to take everyone to some nearby city, or not so nearby, to get their health checks and new visas. This was not what I was told, and I am not comfortable waiing until october to get my visa renewed for the right one. It is booku money in fines if your caught, and it's my butt, not theirs. Tell me, is this normal, to wait so long to get my new visa? They said they will return my passport whenever I like, and they are not holding it, but waiting that long, till October, seems there is little difference. The apartment they gave me is great, has cable, dvd, washer, internet, all they said, and the school is very nice, already gave a lesson, regular classes start tomorrow. However I can't really get past the whole visa thing, and how they want to qwait, likely to save their own time and money, while leaving me at great risk. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and knowledge of this group would be most appreciated. Take care. |
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Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: Stay away from Raw English and Mis Liu, aka Alice, bad news Reply with quote Report Post
This is the agency that lured me to china with promises of candy coated stockings and big bags of gold. Seriously though, they are one of the worst bait and switch companies out there, and I talked to many. First off, they will represent themselves as a school, Tongua school no. 6 I believe, with a contact by the name of Alice. Alice is really the person who runs it I found out later, and figured out as well, a woman by the name of Mis Liu, an Alias of course, I don't know what her real name is. She uses the Alias of Alice online to deflect blame for promises made onto Alice, saying always "you need to talk to Alice". No one has ever met Alice of course. Anyhow, Miss Liu runs the company with her brother. Yes, the company, they are really an agency, not a school. Anyhow, they will make many promises, 20 hour work week, no office hours, blah blah blah. I was promised an apartment with hot water, uh huh, washer, dryer, eh hem, dvd, computer, refrigerator, working shower, AC/Heat. Well, first thing that happened, I got to the airport, in Changchun, she works out of a city near Dongfeng, called Meihiku or something like that, my chinese is poor.Anyhow, when I got there, no one was there. So, I had to pay for a taxi drive into Changchun, and a pricy hotel room. I contacted her later, and she basically threatened not to hire me because I wanted reimbursement for the taxi and hotel! Imagine that, you did not pick me up as you promised, I had to incur extra expense, and I want reimbursement, shocking. Anyhow, we finally reached agreement, she never did pay me for the 125 rmb taxi ride though, and I agreed to let her come and pick me up at the hotel. Ok, after they did not pick me at the airport I should have looked elsewhere, but hell, I was new to china, and at 300 yuan a night, even american money goes fast. Also, I did not know of cheaper hotels, later found one for 30 yuan, go figure.
To continue my story, her "brother" came to pick me up, red light went off in my head at that, since why would a school headmaster have her brother picking me up? I just brushed it off though, and at this point I felt committed, and like I had no choice. After a long drive of sucking up cigarette smoke from the two who drove me, we arrived at my apartment. Oh, and the excuse for not picking me up at the airport was that there had been a car crash, turned out later to be a lie of course, this Miss Liu seems to have a real problem with the truth. Anyhow, the apartment was ok, except for one thing, not one of the amenities I was promised was there. Even the shower did not work. Then I find out it is not a school at all, but an agency. Well, I was not happy, but what are you gonna do? I played along, and payed out of my own pocket to go to see this woman almost everyday, to eat lunch or dinner with her in the neighboring city, and basically do nothing but listen to her make toasts over so so food. She seemed to really enjoying having many foreigners around her to court her favor, and called herself "Madame Liu". Might have had soemthing to do with the 20 very attractive asistant's she had around her at all times, basically doing slave labor for her, uch s cuting vegetables and cleaning the floors, I was not impressed by this. These were also the assistants who would work with us foreign teachers teaching, they were all very poor, both in english and manners. Her office is in some place called the Pillars of Venice or Gardens of Venice, some ritzy place like that. The woman herself is a kind of manical control freak, and if you do not atend one of her dinners, she threaten to can you, even though they have nothing to do with teaching. It is a very weird outfit overall.
I found out from talking to someone who returned from the last term that, not only was my apartmnt likely never to get any of what I was promised, but that the cracker jack box I was in would have a roomate, when I was promised my own place, roomate free. Then I found out that 20 hours would really be 28 or more, with no overtime pay. Well, talk about a bait and switch. At that point I said "I'm outta here." A guy can only take so much dishonesty after all.
If you hear from a woman named Alice, beware. nNo teacher ever returns to work for her, so she is constantly looking for new suckers. She is a liar and a scammer, and if you hear from her and her raw, likely the 30th name it has had, english agency, school, whatever, avoid it like the plague. She makes wild promises, but is not even honest upfron about who and what she is. Tongua school #6 they are not, and if you hear from them, run, run, run.
As for me I should have known better. There were warning signs, but I ignored them, and came anyhow. I was not aware that I had options. She operates out of Jilan province, and has a lot of clout up there. If you end up in Jilan, at a Pillars or Gardens of Venice, meeting with a miss Liu nd her smll Harum of very attractive but not so bright assistants, turn, walk out, and do what I did, go to an internet bar, since you won't have the computer you were promised, and find another job. It will take you about 2 days. As for me, I am glad the horror story is over, or is it. I post this knowing full well that Miss Liu might take measures to get some type of retribution. before I left this woman had her assistant relay a message. basically it said simply "If you bad mouth me or my company in regards to your experience, I'll make it imposible for you to find work, for I have a lot of contacts in high places, understand?" That was the message which was relayed, nice huh. However I feel it is worth the risk, cause Lord only knows how many teachers will be lured into wokring for this person, and I think I have a responsibility to warn them, even if it doe's cost me in some way. Hope I have helped someone avoid the Miss Liu aka. Alice raw english pitfall. Take care. |
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:36 am Post subject: What is good pay? Reply with quote Report Post
I negotiated a contract with this group, a group I ain't sure about yet cause of visa issues. Anyhow, I wanted to know about the pay. It is 5,000 rmb month, for 20 teaching hours and no office hours. Now, I was even told that it may be even les, and the last fellow taught 16 teaching hours a week. Is this good pay? I am a good teacher, they loved my first classes, but I also no they pay as high as 6,000, I am feeling like I am not making as much as I should be, so, am I. It is my first time teaching in China, but I've beena teacher in america for 13 years. Is this salary an accurate reflection of a good sa;ary, or should I be making more? Also, it turns out I will be teaching two grade levels, which means two lesson plans, did not know about that before, extra time there, should mean extra money in my opinion. Also, since my contract is not legal yet, since no proper visa, could I, or should I, try and renegotiate now that I know more, or suck it up and wait until I have taught a year, and see if I want to come back, and renegotiate then? |
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:07 pm
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Actually it takes some intelligence to figure it out, beyond that of those who responded. I suppose it is true that the majority of losers in the world end up teaching english overseas, it is sad when a real teacher like myself must be lumped in with fools such as that. |
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Joe C.

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 993 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Bayden wrote: |
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:03 am
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:47 am
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:03 am
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:36 am
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Point proven. |
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