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periodista-masajista

Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Texas, USA
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Polly0607
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 64
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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I know several people who work for American companies, especially in human resources. These companies in no way force their human resources staff to follow U.S. law or hiring practices.
Some of the international companies in my city are: Proctor and Gamble, Chrysler, Mattel, Nestle and General Motors.
I think the article is right when it says that these companies don't follow the law from their own countries because they don't have to. They do it because they can get away with it.
Pretty much all employers here ask for your picture on the resume, your age, your religion, where you live, who you live with, the names of several family members, whether you have a family member already working at the company, whether you have any children and their ages, your parents occupations, your debts, your medical history etc. etc.
American companies are no exception. Should they begin to set an example? What would push them to do such a thing? |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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They only need to follow Mexican law. The problem in Mexico is enforcement. Anti-discrimination laws are on the books and while not the same as in the US or Canada, they either aren't enforced or I imagine bribery makes any problems go away. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Right on....there isn't many secrets in this country. I found that awkward at first. People come right out and ask what they want to know. Teachers from north of the border have to lose that "they can't ask me that" notion. The newspaper is full of ads specifying how young and beautiful you should be! |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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As a potential job applicant, I prefer to know ahead of time that I won't be hired because of my age, gender, religion, or shoe size instead of being led to believe that an employer doesn't discriminate in his hiring practices, going through the whole process of applying for a job, and then not getting hired because of one of the reasons mentioned above. Discriminatory hiring practices or not, at my age and with my experience and qualifications, I'm far more employable as a teacher in Mexico than in the USA. |
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MikeySaid

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 509 Location: Torreon, Mexico
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Polly0607 wrote: |
Pretty much all employers here ask for your picture on the resume, your age, your religion, where you live, who you live with, the names of several family members, whether you have a family member already working at the company, whether you have any children and their ages, your parents occupations, your debts, your medical history etc. etc. |
Whoa whoa whoa... my religion?
Is this the case at schools? Can anyone verify this? What worries me about the idea of being asked my religion... is that I don't have one, and I want to be employed at a private colegio (to start). In Mexico... can not being Catholic be a problem? I have previously given English classes (as a volunteer) at a private Adventist school in rural Queretaro... and I don't remember there being much inquiry into my religious background.
Is it a meritorcracy? Or are a lot of schools looking for a blonde-haired blue-eyed Catholic native speaker? |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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In my experience, only religious schools will ask of your faith. Nobody else does. I think what Polly writes is bang on for Mexicans in other jobs, but not for schools.
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Is it a meritorcracy? Or are a lot of schools looking for a blonde-haired blue-eyed Catholic native speaker? |
There's a fair bit of discrimination against Mexicans themselves, but not so much on race or skin color of foreigners. |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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MikeySaid wrote: |
Whoa whoa whoa... my religion?
Is this the case at schools? Can anyone verify this? What worries me about the idea of being asked my religion... is that I don't have one, and I want to be employed at a private colegio (to start). In Mexico... can not being Catholic be a problem? |
If you want to teach at some Catholic schools, it can be a problem. I was turned down for two different jobs and told straight out that they would hire only Catholics. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, that happens here too. One of the largest and most prestigious private schools is Catholic. They hire a bilingual foreigner now and again, and that person best be Catholic. |
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hlamb
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 431 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I was askd by a language school what my religious views were. I'm not Catholic or anything else, but consider myself to be tolerant towards all religions. I was surprised by the question, because I had just arrived in Mexico but answered honestly. I didn't get the job, but they also wanted someone with more experience (they told me that before the religious question came up). |
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Polly0607
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 64
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I can confirm that this is a question on any standard job application as well as many questions you may be uncomfortable with.
I was asked all the questions that I posted above. I�m sure I missed some, I was trying to remember my job application when I got here three years ago.
This was from what some say is the most prestigious school in Mexico. |
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FreddyM
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 180 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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MikeySaid wrote: |
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Whoa whoa whoa... my religion?
Is this the case at schools? Can anyone verify this? What worries me about the idea of being asked my religion... is that I don't have one, and I want to be employed at a private colegio (to start). In Mexico... can not being Catholic be a problem? I have previously given English classes (as a volunteer) at a private Adventist school in rural Queretaro... and I don't remember there being much inquiry into my religious background.
Is it a meritorcracy? Or are a lot of schools looking for a blonde-haired blue-eyed Catholic native speaker? |
I remember the round of application forms I went through about a year ago looking for a job. I think MOST of them asked about religion and marital status. And this was mostly private language schools, including the big names here in D.F. I ended up working at a Catholic school, and I'm still there. Although it is very conservative and they do ask your religion, it will not automatically rule you out for a position if you aren't Catholic. One of the people they hired for this year is not Catholic, but he has good qualifications and lots of experience, and is a foreigner....plus he's blond and blue-eyed to boot, so they overlooked the religion angle for him, particularly since he is not teaching religion classes, he's teaching English. I'm sure if you had all those qualifications however (lots of experience, good credentials, foreigner, native English speaker, blond, blue-eyed, AND Catholic), they'd snap you up in a heart beat.
I've heard that some other Catholic schools are not as strict as this one, most might ask your religion, but don't really care what particular religion you are, or even if you have any.
Like someone else said however, I think there is a fair amount of discrimination in this country along different dimensions, but it is particularly acute against Mexicans. I am in a unique position here because although I am a native English speaker, I don't fit the blond, blue-eyed profile, and am a Mexican native to boot. My college degrees, experience, and native speaking ability have given me a leg up over most Mexicans, but I lack the physical attributes to land those really plumb jobs most foreigners land. |
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M@tt
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 473 Location: here and there
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:18 am Post subject: |
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but I lack the physical attributes to land those really plumb jobs most foreigners land. |
are you talking about the mexico found between the US and guatemala? |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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M@tt wrote: |
FreddyM wrote: |
]but I lack the physical attributes to land those really plumb jobs most foreigners land. |
are you talking about the mexico found between the US and guatemala? |
M@tt, I wondered about that one, too.
FreddyM, what exactly is your definition of a plum job? I don't know of many foreign TEFL teachers who come to this country and land what I would consider plum jobs no matter what physical attributes they have.
In the part of the country where I live, the better TEFL jobs -- which I wouldn't consider very plum -- go to those who have qualifications and experience. The best jobs go to connected locals. |
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saraswati
Joined: 30 Mar 2004 Posts: 200
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Samantha wrote: |
Yes, that happens here too. One of the largest and most prestigious private schools is Catholic. They hire a bilingual foreigner now and again, and that person best be Catholic. |
Marital status is also important at some Catholic schools too. Many won't accept teachers who are divorced. |
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