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magicmagic



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:16 pm    Post subject: punk rock in Japan Reply with quote

I am a punk feminist who is pretty poltically active, and I have been considering teaching english in japan.

My question is, will I be really alienated? like unbearably alienating?

I lived in Japan with a family for a month in Takaoka when I was 19, but that was with a student program that was mostly snobby 16-year-olds, and it was before the tattoo on my arm and piercings in my eyebrows.

I really want to experience a different culture, but I'm wondering how people around me (i.e. co-workers, roomates, dude on the street) will react.
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wolfman



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being an "-ist" is bad.
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zignut



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll probably enjoy a good deal of the reactions you get. No matter what it's like in your home country, I doubt that you got pierced and inked in order to look like everyone else. Still, practically speaking, you may have some challenges. It's widely reported that onsen frown upon or even deny entry to those with tattoos, and it's perfectly legal, as far as I know, for a japanese employer to tell you, "No, you can't teach here. You'll scare the housewives."

There's counterculture in Japan, but it's possible that it has less legal protections than in other countries.
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canuck



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming you have the qualifications to get a work visa, the fact you have tatoos and piercings will make it more difficult to find a position. You will be competing against people who don't have piercings nor visible tatoos.
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markle



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: punk rock in Japan Reply with quote

magicmagic wrote:
I am a punk feminist who is pretty poltically active, and I have been considering teaching english in japan.
My question is, will I be really alienated? like unbearably alienating?
>>the tattoo on my arm and piercings in my eyebrows.
I really want to experience a different culture, but I'm wondering how people around me (i.e. co-workers, roomates, dude on the street) will react.


Now I don't want you to feel as though I'm attacking you, that is not my intention but I would like to to challenge your thinking a bit.
I'm not sure what a punk feminist is, although I could come up with a few caricatures. The tattoo (if visible) and the eyebrow piercings will attract attention, a certain amount of it negative, and it may make getting a job more difficult but you are not in danger of getting stoned in the street. How much you are alienated will depend mostly on your personality rather than your outward appearance. If your 'politically active punk feminism' is of the in-your-face variety then you are going to face a certain amount of alienation but how unbearable it is, is up to you.

Which brings me to my main question for you. You say that you want to 'experience' a different culture but in order to 'experience' it, rather than simply observe it, then you will to certain extent become a part of it and that in turn means that you will need to conform to general rules of behaviour of the culture as well. If your 'politically active punk feminism' is at odds with those general rules then a certain amount of alientaion will follow perhaps on top of the alienation that comes with not being Japanese (the culture has a strong sense of racial identity) not speaking the language, being a woman etc. Whether it is unbearable is entirely up to you, I mean some perfectly normal looking non-'ist' people found Japan unbearably alienating, while other 'freaks' found it open and accepting.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice post Markle!
Doubt anyone would bat an eye MM. Hard to get a job teaching though.
Good luck to you,
s
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Venti



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:25 am    Post subject: Re: punk rock in Japan Reply with quote

magicmagic wrote:
I am a punk feminist who is pretty poltically active, and I have been considering teaching english in japan.

My question is, will I be really alienated? like unbearably alienating?

I lived in Japan with a family for a month in Takaoka when I was 19, but that was with a student program that was mostly snobby 16-year-olds, and it was before the tattoo on my arm and piercings in my eyebrows.

I really want to experience a different culture, but I'm wondering how people around me (i.e. co-workers, roomates, dude on the street) will react.


The tattoo on your arm can be covered, but can your piercings be taken out on daily basis? Sorry, I'm fairly ignorant about living with piercings. Anyway, if they can be taken out, and your eyebrow shape hasn't been altered too much, you should be fine as far as your appearance is concerned. But, this is all job-related stuff.

As far as Japan life goes, the bearability of it depends on some obvious factors like location, one's attitude, etc...
Many teaching positions, ALT or eikaiwa ones, are in rural or not-nearly-as-big-as-Tokyo-or-Osaka-sized cities. Things could be tough for you in a rural location if you let your hair down (just an expression), but you might never get a second glance in most parts of Tokyo. If you do end up in the countryside, it's not guaranteed that it'll be difficult; I lived in an extremely rural town and found many of the people there to be very pleasant and open-minded. Not so everywhere, though. Japanese people often get painted as cold and judgemental, and you'll certainly see why some people end up with that kind of opinion if you stay here long enough, but Japanese people are human just like you. They are often victims of centuries of backwards thinking (according to your average westerner), but you may make some of the deepest personal connenctions you've ever had while here. I have. And, I'm not the most normal person, either. Wink
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callmesim



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much what everyone else has said.

If you're an activist who comes here with the intention of experiences and are prepared to bend your way of living to an extent then you'll be fine. But if you're an activist who can't help but always go against the grain in an 'f-the system' way, you'll hate it and just give people the squirts.

I've seen it go both ways. You're alienated for not being Japanese. That you can't avoid. But I've seen people come here and at every corner complain that "this is just not fair! How can they live like this?" You must remember, this is their country and if someone came to my country and started telling me how everything I did was wrong, quite frankly I'd tell them to sod off home.

This is in no way an assumption of the kind of person you are, I'm just looking at the two extremes. And I've seen an 'f- the system' kind of person come here and leave within months. Why she came here in the first place baffles me because EVERYTHING about the job she found immoral. Yet still she applied?!

As a feminist, it will be difficult. I find it heart-breaking talking to high-school girls whose sole-ambition is to finish high-school, get married and become a housewife. And to hear 30-somethings lamenting that they're too old to get a good job and too old to get married. "I used to travel a lot with friends but they all got married so now I don't do much anyone. I just want a husband." is a comment I remember well.

So, like everyone else, it all depends on your attitude and how much you're willing to compromise. Even if you take your activist hat off for a year or so, it's a fascinating, sometimes sad and sometimes happy look at another culture.

Just don't rock the boat. Very Happy
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: punk rock in Japan Reply with quote

magicmagic wrote:
I am a punk feminist who is pretty poltically active, and I have been considering teaching english in japan.


Is this a troll post? Punk feminist?!?

If not, Japan is not the place to come if you are too staunch about your views. The best kind of "-ist" that goes over well is a conformist. That's not to say that you can't have views or opinions, but it truly is the nail that sticks up that gets beaten down.

Japan will do it in the nicest possible way too. From what I have seen, most people whose views are very contrary to what is the current social norm tend to leave on their own out of sheer frustration and exasperation -- not because of persecution. People tend to be very set in their ways and if YOU can't adapt to THEM, it won't make THEIR lives any more miserable... But YOU might end up tearing your hair out.

In the end, knowing how to pick and choose your battles is the key or you'll go mad.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest Kobe or Osaka, in that order.
It is easier to be a free spirit there.
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wolfman



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks wrote:
I would suggest Kobe or Osaka, in that order.
It is easier to be a free spirit there.


Would you care to elaborate on that?

Not that I am disagreeing, I'd just like to hear why you say that.
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NorthofAmerica



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sexism here might make you go a little crazy. That said, I showed up in a small town as a vegetarian with tattoos and holes in his ears and got along fine. So far I have found that, in spite of what others might say, as a foreigner you get away with a lot. If you are very different than the Japanese norm it's not the end of the world. You have to be respectful and go with the flow of things but if they see that you are trying then Japanese people will usually be pretty relaxed and nice.

I have gone to an onsen with my tattoos as well and not had a problem. Can anyone say from direct experience that they have been kicked out of one? I hear a lot of "A friend of mine" or "I heard from someone..." but so far no one has really talked about a direct experience they've had. I know it does happen but I am beginning to believe that the stigma against tattoos is exaggerated, at least in the Kansai area.
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthofAmerica wrote:
The sexism here might make you go a little crazy. That said, I showed up in a small town as a vegetarian with tattoos and holes in his ears and got along fine. So far I have found that, in spite of what others might say, as a foreigner you get away with a lot. If you are very different than the Japanese norm it's not the end of the world. You have to be respectful and go with the flow of things but if they see that you are trying then Japanese people will usually be pretty relaxed and nice.

I have gone to an onsen with my tattoos as well and not had a problem. Can anyone say from direct experience that they have been kicked out of one? I hear a lot of "A friend of mine" or "I heard from someone..." but so far no one has really talked about a direct experience they've had. I know it does happen but I am beginning to believe that the stigma against tattoos is exaggerated, at least in the Kansai area.

It may be somewhat exaggerated but then again there are plenty of places such as onsen, sento and gyms that have 'No tattoo' signs up. I have seen them.
Anyway, going to a place like that with a tattoo might not be as risky as turning up at a sento and being the only one without a tattoo.
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