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jlcozzens



Joined: 11 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:21 am    Post subject: A Question Reply with quote

Hello,
THank you for replying to this post if possible. I have taught for several years in Asia, especially China. I liked it so very much but the pay is so very low. I have a Master of Arts in Teaching ESL and 2 years of experience teaching in China. I have heard that Private International High Schools in Saudi Arabia pay so very high. My question is : How High? I mean what kind of range of pay is there for ESL teachers in Saudi Arabia? Also, do you know any good sites that could help me find the private international highschools with such good salaries?
Thank you for your help. I am 23 years old, turning 24 and I am continually facinated by the Middle East.
Thank you,
Peace
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Queen of Sheba



Joined: 07 May 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really they pay "so very high?" I would have guessed the colleges and universities pay more. Maybe someone knowledgeable in that arena can comment. By the way, do you enjoy midget wrestling? Why would you pick high school over college? The range for a teacher with an MA with some experience is good enough for someone your age to seriously consider. I think you should do a search on Dave's job board, apply, and then come back here and tell us what they offer you for a real analysis. I feel awkward about making money comments not based on offers or references as to what you want to get, yet you can PM me if you want an opinion on the range they may offer at a college or university.
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Stephen Jones



Joined: 21 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have heard that Private International High Schools in Saudi Arabia pay so very high.
You've heard wrong. And the true international ones stop at fourteen.

What I don't understand is how you can have a first degree, an MA in TESL, and two years experience, and only be 23.

The second thing I don't understand is why any sane twenty-three year old would want to live in Saudi Arabia.
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jlcozzens



Joined: 11 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able to finish my undergrad in just 2 years, (I worked like a mad man) finished at 20 and worked in China till 22, did MAT ESL and now 23. I want to go to Saudi to earn some liquid $ to start some business with.
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Van Norden



Joined: 23 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally, the best money is with the military contracts but they're not for the 'teachy-feely' types. Forget about job satisfaction and career advancement etc. If you want money bad enough it's the way to go.

You do know what it's like out here don't you? No women or alcohol or fun of any sort. There's no way I could've come here at your age. It's hard enough at my age with all those years of debauchery behind me.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some employers ( and students) might feel that you are a bit young. If you want a decent slary you have to go on one of the military contracts. International Schoolls in the region prefer career schoolteachers. For ESL you are talking about a different path.

Try Raytheon or BAe
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Government contracts go by years of experience, so you will be fairly low down the salary scale.

You could try for Aramco through a contractor.

But have you considered Korea. Salaries there don't depend much on experience so you should be able to pick up $2.5k without too much trouble, and you will get accommodation thrown in. Also it is nearer China.
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Hector_Lector



Joined: 20 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try THe British Council.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The British Council is not normally mad keen on taking Americans or Canadians, and I presume he is one since I know of no university in the UK where you get a bachelors in two years.
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I know of none in the US either... and I was assuming that he wasn't American because of the 2 year degree.

Other than those child prodigy types that graduate from MIT when they are 12 or something. Laughing

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Queen of Sheba



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can go into overload credits and finish faster than the traditional 4 year methods. Nowadays you can do many creative things including taking extra classes, create individualized degrees, combine majors and so forth in the US. When I was doing my BA, you could take up to 18 credits a semester, and if you and if you went in the summer it came to 54 credits a year. Most undergrad degrees take around 120 credits to complete, so that�s 2.5 years of study. It is possible, although I have taken 18 credits at a time, and it�s hard to do, especially if you are keeping a job down as well. The MA on top of the BA is what gets me...but if can manage that kind of stress you can manage KSA!
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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I read someone's CV and saw it was a 2 year degree, I'd think hmm something's not right Wouldn't most employers?
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007



Joined: 30 Oct 2006
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Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queen of Sheba wrote:
...but if can manage that kind of stress you can manage KSA!


Do you think so? Laughing

So, what about somebody with BA only? Can he manage the SA stress?
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007



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Van Norden wrote:
... It's hard enough at my age with all those years of debauchery behind me.


At least is an experience, positive or negative, always look to the future, you will never know? may be one day you will be rich and wealthy, who knows? ! Laughing Laughing
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007



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kilometro parado wrote:
... students in Asian Countries (in general) are much better prepared and motivated compared to others...

Who are the others??

Quote:
.. My best students in ESL classes have been Chinese and Vietnamese...hands down.

So, which one are best, the Chinese or the Vietnamese? and Why?

Quote:
Mafi shakshuka, min fadluk.

Fi Shakshuka ma'aa salsa hara wa foul mudamas wa tamis, tafathal koul bi alshifa wa al hanna. Laughing
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