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johncanada24
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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: What is the Difference Between these 2 Sentences |
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Ok guys I know I've been asking alot of these questions but I honestly searched the internet and could not find anything on this.
What is the difference between these two sentences:
1. Turn on your cell phone
2. Turn your cell phone on.
My guess is that these sentences have valid grammar and that:
1. Deals with the general idea of turning it on ( unspecified means of turning it on)
2. Deals with changing the status of the cell phone using its functions to turn it on.
My student needs to know what the proper answer is for an english exam.
But I honestly think that both are pretty much the same. This isn't a big deal for us but it seems to be important to the student can any one help on this one?? I keep getting stumped on questions like this. |
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furiousmilksheikali
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There is no difference in meaning.
This happens to be a phrasal verb that can be seperated by the object mentioned.
This is not the case with all phrasal verbs though.
For example you can run up a big phone bill but I don't think anyone would say you can run your big phone bill up.
(I could be wrong on this.) |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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You can run a big flag up a tall pole...though not quite the same as to run up a bill
Since we're playing with phrasal verbs, here's a pair.
Burn up
Burn down
What's the difference? I drop this one on my TEFL course students all the time. |
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furiousmilksheikali
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
You can run a big flag up a tall pole...though not quite the same as to run up a bill
Since we're playing with phrasal verbs, here's a pair.
Burn up
Burn down
What's the difference? I drop this one on my TEFL course students all the time. |
Burn up is to have a fever?
Burn down is to destroy by fire? |
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johncanada24
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
You can run a big flag up a tall pole...though not quite the same as to run up a bill
Since we're playing with phrasal verbs, here's a pair.
Burn up
Burn down
What's the difference? I drop this one on my TEFL course students all the time. |
Burn up is to have a fever?
Burn down is to destroy by fire? |
Now that we've found 2 comparitives =
1. Their both Phrasial verbs
2. They have the same meaning
The only difference I can see with these 2 sentences, is the arrangement of the verb, pronoun and subject. |
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Aramas
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: |
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There is also 'burn out', and all are indicative of outcomes.
In the case of 'burn up', an item has been 'burned' to the point that it no longer exists. eg firewood, homework, calories etc..
'Burn down' indicates that a stucture has been collapsed in a fire. However, if a structure has been burned but is still standing, it would be 'burned out'.
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| However, if a structure has been burned but is still standing, it would be 'burned out'. |
Now there's GOT to be a TEFLing joke in there, eh Thrifty? |
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Chasgul
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| When you separate off the preposition it's more germanic IMHO, e.g. stehen sie auf. |
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fluffyhamster
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| Sometimes 'turning on your cell phone' means that you are chucking it at a wall or something. |
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Gregor
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| My student needs to know what the proper answer is for an English exam. |
The problem with this, at least in China, is that the students might have a test that treats one of the examples as correct and one of them incorrect. Not fair at all. There is no difference between the two examples, BUT! If a pronoun is used with such a phrasal verb ("it" instead of "cell phone"), only one is correct:
This is my cell phone. I'm turning it on.
But not
This is my cell phone. I'm turning on it.
(That is, of course, unless it's NOT a phrasal verb, as fluffyhamster points out, but rather a slang use of turn to mean "go against" and the preposition "on" to point out what the object of this animosity is.) |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Indeed...let's just hope none of the students are getting turned on by their cell phones. |
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carnac
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This may be out of turn, but personally, when I turn out to answer my cell phone which turns up and turns me on, I turn down the proffered materiels and turn it off. Then I turn it over, turn around, think before turning back, turn a deaf ear and decide to turn over a new leaf. One good turn deserves another.
What is the word (if there is one) for when a word which is read/said repeatedly becomes nonsensical? (turn turn turn turn turn)
Sorry, off-topic.
Just wondered. |
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Stephen Jones
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| Indeed...let's just hope none of the students are getting turned on by their cell phones. |
Guy evidently things MMS stands for Monthly Menstrual Sindrome. |
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laura1d
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: Phrasal Verbs |
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To answer the original question, there are three basic types of phrasal verbs:
1. verb + particle... some phrasal verbs are intransitive and so do not take a direct object. sit down and enjoy it. When are you going to grow up.
2. verb + object + particle (seperable)... the biggest group of phrasal verbs are transitive. When the direct object is a noun you can put it before or after the particle. Take off your shoes. Take your shoes off.
When the direct object is a pronoun, you must put it between the verb and the particle. Switch it off please. NOT Switch off it.
3. Verb + particle + object (not seperable)... with this type of phrasal verb you always put the direct object - noun or pronoun - after the particle.
She looks after her grandmother. I ran after it, but the bus didn't stop.
I hope that helps you and your student!!
Cheers
Laura
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laura1d
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:52 am Post subject: spelling! |
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oops - separable not seperable!!!
Laura |
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