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No chance with no Degree?
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plenetic9



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:41 am    Post subject: No chance with no Degree? Reply with quote

Greetings,

Any ideas? Lords of tutoring experience in UK, ages 18 to 60
Vocatianal and accessment qualifications, TEFL used to dealing with people of all abilities. Three yeas degree studying English but no result. Will any agency take me seriously if I contacted them from abroad, have they cornered the market on the net?
Does networking exist in these countries? How can I take this position forward from here?

Suggestions humbly and graciously accepted
LOVE David
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Middle East is obsessed with degrees. Most advertised jobs require an MA in a related field or in international schools the holding of your country's teaching certificate (which requires a BA as far as I know).

There may be some jobs in Saudi, but I will let the Saudi hands discuss that. You may be able to pick up part time and private lessons in North Africa or the Levant, but your salary will provide living expenses only if you hustle.

Few ME employers use 'agencies' and those that do have very poor reputations. Again Saudi Arabia is the exception and quite a few employers there use agencies.

VS
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Mark100



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basic spelling skills would be an advantage.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a degree. A home-made one might be acceptable to some employers. Use a spellchecker.
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alyshia



Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: kuwait Reply with quote

some schools in kuwait may hire without a degree if they're desperate enough for an english speaker teacher (espeically in the lower grades, like kindergarten).... however, with the government changing the laws and requiring degrees in the near future... it's less and less likely.
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cam



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it hard to believe that any decent school would hire someone without a degree. A few years ago I tried to find a job in Kuwait but without a MA at the time I was unable to get any job. With a university degree and 6 years teaching in Asia I could not even get a job in a kindergarten or conversation school. Have things changed to such an extent that a person without a degree could get a job there now?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The key word is 'decent' Cam. As I've said to many new people on this board. Anyone who will hire you with limited credentials or experience is NOT someone that you would want to ever work for.

VS
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Queen of Sheba



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cam wrote:
Have things changed to such an extent that a person without a degree could get a job there now?


There have been sightings of UFDs in Saudi Arabia, who usually end up in a crash and burn. People are afraid of coming to the Middle East, haven't you noticed? That�s certainly affected the quality of applicants and the numbers. Not at decent colleges and schools, as VS has pointed out, but it has been known to happen as of late at those institutions who run themselves like chaos on speed in a roller rink.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No degree ?

No job !
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that work visa requirements for all the Gulf countries are very strict, would it really be possible for someone to get a visa as a teacher without some sort of degree? I reckon that even if an institution were desperate enough to hire someone degree-less, the relevant government authority would not allow it.
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stoth1972



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible, but not likely. It would mean that the employer would have to lie to the government when applying to your visa (happened to me) and identify you something besides a teacher.

Here's the thing, speaking from experience (no teaching qual. and no MA when I went to the UAE), you don't want to go this route. Those employers that might hire you (this is a huge stretch since you don't have a college degree) will not only lie to the govt, they'll lie to you, too. Get a degree, get a PGCE, get an MA-THEN consider the UAE.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the above advice is good, not only for the UAE, but for the Gulf in general. It may be tempting to take a job where you are brought in under false pretences for visa requirements. However, sooner or later your employers' lies may catch up with you. If your very presence in the country is based on lies, you may find yourself in a sticky situation should you have any legal troubles or something of that nature.

If youcan't get a job on the basis of your bona fide qualifications, look elsewhere.
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Like a Rolling Stone



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark100 wrote:
Basic spelling skills would be an advantage.


Yo, dont be down on the dude. It's an internet forum you guys so sometimes people make typoes. It's not like it"s his CV. Cool
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Bebsi



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will any agency take me seriously if I contacted them from abroad


Learning how to use conditionals would help!!

That aside, some of the universities in KSA will hire without an MA, but they absolutely insist on a BA (or equiv) along with a MINIMUM of three or four years of relevant experience, by which they mean teaching in a formal setting such as a university, government training establishment, mainstream school or reasonably reputable private establishment. This does generally not include private tutoring, teaching conversation in Thailand or even teaching in a backstreet language school somewhere in Russia.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might get a job as a supervisor with one of the cleaning squads. Do you speak Tamil or Bengali ?
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