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Twelvetongue



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:59 am    Post subject: Associates Degree and a CELTA Reply with quote

What is the best country to teach in with just an A.A. in Liberal Arts and a CELTA, not just money-wise but in terms of possible continuing education.
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Sgt Killjoy



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have said that Thailand would be a good option for just starting out, but not anymore. With new changes, even a generic BA and Celta won't be enough.

When you talk about continuing education, what do you mean?

I would put Mexico on any list as the possible place.
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Twelvetongue



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot my other major skill,

Foreign Languages. Especially Spanish....

Mexico eh?

I already have family in Mexico, and when I lived in L.A. I made a trip to Tijuana at least every 3 months just to get out of America and get cheap Tequila, Dental Work, Jewelry, Leather, etc.

I was waiting for someone to say Vietnam but I'm glad they didn't.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelvetongue wrote:
I forgot my other major skill,

Foreign Languages. Especially Spanish....

Mexico eh?

I already have family in Mexico, and when I lived in L.A. I made a trip to Tijuana at least every 3 months just to get out of America and get cheap Tequila, Dental Work, Jewelry, Leather, etc.


WTF? Shocked

Sorry, just my uninhibited first reaction coming through there. Embarassed

With an AA in Liberal Arts and a CELTA, I think it would be difficult to find a teaching job in Mexico that would give you enough income to take much for continuing-education courses.
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squirrel2go



Joined: 26 Nov 2006
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Location: Las Vegas Nevada

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With an AA in Liberal Arts and a CELTA, I think it would be difficult to find a teaching job in Mexico that would give you enough income to take much for continuing-education courses.


Well, is that because of the AA, or is there possibly a better certificate than the CELTA to go for? I am VERY close to earning a BA, but for now have only the AA. What might be the best certification to go with for a person wanting to teach in Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil, or Argentina?
(sorry, i dont mean to hijack the post! lol!)
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are TEFL course certificate providers in each of those Latin American countries. I'd say you'd be best served by taking the course in one of them. CELTA is represented in LA, but not widely. That's not to say it's inappropriate for the region, just not nearly as known.

I disagree with Ben on what could be earned in Mexico on an AA liberal arts and a TEFL or CELTA course. You wouldn't find decent pay everywhere, but you could find it in a few of the larger cities, where you'd also find good access to additional courses (assuming here you mean courses in Mexico). Check out UNAM for Mexico City (google it!).
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see nothing wrong with an intro course like CELTA and an AA degree. Those would qualify you for some entry level teaching jobs with entry level wages. I think on those wages in Mexico, it would be difficult to afford continuing-education courses, however. In my opinion, it would be wise to complete your BA before going abroad to teach EFL. Once you added some teaching experience to a CELTA, it would be a whole lot easier to move up to better jobs if you had a BA rather than an AA.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On that, I completely agree.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's an AA? To a Scot AA means Alcoholic Anon.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
What's an AA? To a Scot AA means Alcoholic Anon.

It's a degree designed for people with drinking problems. Wink

Seriously, it's an Associate of/in Arts degree. It's a 2-year degree offered by community colleges, junior colleges, and some tech schools. An AA degree is a minimum education requirement for certain jobs. Also, credits taken to earn an AA degree can usually be applied towards a BA or BS degree at universities.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tim. Sounds a bit like an HND/HNC... and to go totally off-topic, that's not enough to be legal in Turkey.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outside of the US, an "associate's degree" isn't recognized as a degree - it's two years of college.
You can get an entry EFL job in a few countries: I believe Indonesia still doesn't require a degree if you have a TEFL certificate, and in much of Latin America you could find entry jobs.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had never heard of an associate's degree, most people would call it a diploma. It would not get you into Japan.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:
I had never heard of an associate's degree, most people would call it a diploma. It would not get you into Japan.
Now you are confusing things Gordon. If you do an MA(TESOL) in the uk the Diploma is what you get if you don't do your dissertation...... I think.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
Gordon wrote:
I had never heard of an associate's degree, most people would call it a diploma. It would not get you into Japan.
Now you are confusing things Gordon. If you do an MA(TESOL) in the uk the Diploma is what you get if you don't do your dissertation...... I think.


I thought a diploma was about half a degree... or is that a certificate. Confused
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