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CMorrow · Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 5

Can anyone tell me which countries (anywhere) do not require a degree to teach - all the TESOL certificates and Early Childhood experience...I am willing to travel anywhere where my creditentials will be sufficient.

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

CMorrow · Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 5

I have TESOL - Education Assistant Certificate, Brain Gym (Educational Kinesiology) Intructor, Teaching English to Children. Years of teaching adults continuing education courses as well as early childhood courses (no degree).

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

Have you taught English to non-native speakers?

drgonzo · Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Posts: 82

Just produce a fake degree.... either get one from Bangkok or elsewhere, or photocopy your buddy's degree with your name over-top his. That seems to be what most people without real degrees do... or you could just finish a 3-year degree and not have to worry about it, and open up many more doors.

gugelhupf · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 575 Location: Jabotabek

Don't apply for a job with me like that, though. I always confirm the degree with the university or college when I check the references.

xsbir · Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 81 Location: The Big Durian

beefer · Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 238 Location: java

gugelhupf · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 575 Location: Jabotabek

I guess I'm in a small minority but, yes, I do check out applicants as thoroughly as I can because of past experiences. I also find just doing a google search on someone's name and alledged previous employers can throw up a veritable cornucopia of intrigue...

True, though, that it shouldn't be a problem to get a job around here with fake credentials - so long as you are white, are reasonably fluent in English, and can walk unaided to your class.

happy_me · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:57 am Post subject:

degree degree degree � doesn�t mean you can teach, then on the other hand lots of experience doesn�t get you that nice job either . more like, right place right time, and if they like you, that's all you need

beefer · Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 238 Location: java

gugel, i'm curious to know what percentage of degrees (whose validity you have checked) have turned out to be fakes......

the foundation that runs the school i'm at does all the hiring here and they claim to check all references and what not. but when i talk to other teachers from other departments they are open about not having a degree( although their cv said they did) .... and we are supposed to be quite a reputable school in this country.

gugelhupf · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 575 Location: Jabotabek

This is the process I recommend:

1. Check the university named on the degree actually exists(!) This is quite easy, and it AMAZES me that so few employers do this.

2. Get sight of the original certificate if possible.

3. Telephone, fax or email the registrar's office at the university. Most reputable universities will either 'confirm' or 'be unable to confirm' that a person with a particular name graduated in a particular discipline in a particular year. You won't get much more detail than that. Remember that lists of graduates are public domain and quite often get published in newspapers or university websites.

4. Ask about the person's experience at university during the interview.

If your 'reputable private language school' is claiming that applicants are vetted properly and teachers are telling you that they don't really have qualifications then someone, somewhere is telling porky pies.

Chester · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 383 Location: Australia

some of - no most of you guys remind of Artie Ziff, from the simpsons.

Squirt! Squirt!
But then he was actually successful.

beefer · Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 238 Location: java

happy_me · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:29 am Post subject: