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chip
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 Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: Anyone know anything about John Dewey as an agent? |
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Just saw a posting of his an a hiring agent for schools all over Taiwan and wondered if anyone had any experience with the service.
Thanks in advance. |
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Dr_Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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Location: Not posting on Forumosa.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| Dewey has been discussed quite a bit. Try searching the Taiwan forum. The word "dewey" returned 51 results for me. |
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milkweedma
Joined: 19 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: Dewey. |
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| I used them quite a few times when lookin for work. He's good but did put pressure on me to sign with Virginia at Minjian town in Nantou County. I interviewed all over the place and it cost me $20,000 nt to do it that way. Best find a job on the net first or through someone you know otherwise it will cost a bit. If you dont know your way around Taiwan forget it. Its a logistical nightmare. cheers, ad. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Dewey. |
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| milkweedma wrote: |
| He's good but did put pressure on me to sign with Virginia at Minjian town in Nantou County. |
Can you elaborate on this? What kind of pressure was put on? Who were you dealing with in that company?
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| I interviewed all over the place and it cost me $20,000 nt to do it that way. |
Does this mean that you paid the agent NTD20,000 to find you a job? If not then what did you spend this money on? |
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milkweedma
Joined: 19 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: Dewey |
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Dude, I spent about $20,000nt cruising round the western side of the island interviewing for jobs with Dewey. Spent the dosh on accom, food train/bus tickets. I also got put up for free cos I knew people there from my previous job.
As for Dewey, I was passed onto another one of their reps after the pressure I got on the phone from one of them that one time. I suspect it was an isolated incident cos the guy on the phone was stressed out I suspect. Sorry mate Im not naming names cos it happened over a year ago now.
I still rate them cos they directed me all over the island and followed up all contacts for me. I highly reccommend them.
What happened to me which caused me to shoot through from Mingjian was an accumulation of occurrences. |
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dvasas
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
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Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone know anything about John Dewey as an agent? |
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| chip wrote: |
Just saw a posting of his an a hiring agent for schools all over Taiwan and wondered if anyone had any experience with the service.
Thanks in advance. |
you can try www.reachtoteachrecruiting.com too - American run. |
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TravellingAround
Joined: 12 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Dewey. |
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| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| milkweedma wrote: |
| He's good but did put pressure on me to sign with Virginia at Minjian town in Nantou County. |
Can you elaborate on this? What kind of pressure was put on? Who were you dealing with in that company? |
Very well - Can you elaborate on your dealings with agencies too?
Fair is fair. |
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wood
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Why elaborate? All stories tend to
be the same in nature. |
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BigWally
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| wood wrote: |
Why elaborate? All stories tend to
be the same in nature. |
although it may be boring, the idea behind this site (IMHO) is that people who are interested in the profession of teaching ESL have a place to come and ask their questions/post their greviances/etc...
elaboration is the key to discussion, and a blanket statement such as "this school is bad" or "this recruiter is terrible and are scam artists" may not be very useful to a prospective employee....
by elaborating on a subject, one can gain futher insight as to why someone feels a certain way about a subject, and then by taking that opinion, and comparing to other opinions, can formulate their own opinion as to whether or not an employer/recruiter/sandwich is good or bad... |
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Dr_Zoidberg
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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To take Wally's post one step further, by elaborating, potential newcomers have a chance to see the kinds of scenarios they will face upon arrival, and be better prepared in dealing with them.
Last edited by Dr_Zoidberg on Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:37 am; edited 1 time in total |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Dewey. |
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Big Wally and Dr. Zoidberg echo my sentiments, and this is something that I have been trying to get across for a while now. If anyone has a legitimate complaint or compliment about a company then elaborating about your experience makes your post much more effective. It is very hard to tell what to expect from a school or recruiter that 'sucks' or 'is tops' unless the person making this comment explains why.
I was interested to know more about the situation for this very reason, and if the complaint or compliment is worth bringing to this forum then I don't understand why someone would not want to elaborate!
| TravellingAround wrote: |
| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| milkweedma wrote: |
| He's good but did put pressure on me to sign with Virginia at Minjian town in Nantou County. |
Can you elaborate on this? What kind of pressure was put on? Who were you dealing with in that company? |
Very well - Can you elaborate on your dealings with agencies too?
Fair is fair. |
Fortunately we don't get too much of this sort of skepticsm over here on the Taiwan forum and for those who are not aware TravellingAround's post here probably follows on from a discussion being had over on the China forum at present.
Over on the China forum as soon as anyone posts anything positive about a school then they are accused of being paid by the school to post.
As soon as anyone asks a complainant for more information about their complaint or in more extreme cases calls the person on their 'complaint' being nothing more than a grudge, then they get get accused of being school sympathisers or a recruiter.
The thing that I don't understand is that these very same people who jump on anyone who has an opinion about school and recruiters or working in China that is not entirely negative, are the very same people who want to see more information about schools and recruiters on this forum - apparently though only if it is bad.
TravellingAround you are obviously hinting that I have some vested interest in my post here, and if you were to have taken a moment to look through my posts on this forum you would have known the answer to this before you posted. I suggest that you research if you want to know why I recommend Dewey along with a handful of other recruitment companies including Reach To Teach. Check my past posts.
I recommend Dewey because they have a proven track record of doing things as best as they can. They are not perfect of course, but the complaints about them are pretty minor things generally.
I asked who the person was in Dewey who was giving the OP pressure as I know that some of the staff are better than others and if it is who I think it might be then the boss at Dewey would be interested to know as any staff member there that attracts any number of complaints is likely to be shown the door. So if the OP really wants to ensure that no one else feels pressured by a staff member of that company then I recommend that you let Dewey know who you had the problem with.
So TravellingAround here is a question for you. Do you feel that Dewey specifically is not a good agency to deal with? If not, then why is there an issue? |
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SanChong
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It's a shame that the China forum is that way (and I'm happy that I'm not a poster there, if that's the case!)
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Fortunately we don't get too much of this sort of skepticsm over here on the Taiwan forum and for those who are not aware TravellingAround's post here probably follows on from a discussion being had over on the China forum at present.
Over on the China forum as soon as anyone posts anything positive about a school then they are accused of being paid by the school to post.
As soon as anyone asks a complainant for more information about their complaint or in more extreme cases calls the person on their 'complaint' being nothing more than a grudge, then they get get accused of being school sympathisers or a recruiter. |
There are good and bad recruiters and schools in Taiwan and Western countries. That part isn't much different from back home. The issues are many times different than those back home, but that should be expected in a foreign country.
I think part of the problem is this: When things go wrong at home, people blame the specific Company, or specific boss, etc. Abroad, people have the tendency to blame the Country, the Culture, the People, the whole SYSTEM. That's a natural reaction, when you think about it, because we are naturally skeptical and critical of things we don't understand. It's also unfair and a bit shallow to generalize a specific problem. Every situation is unique.
Anyway, I'm happy we've turned the Taiwan forum into a friendlier place. We disagree PLENTY... but we tend to do it in a pretty non-confrontational way. I've even grown to love Toe Save's posts!! (That new Unitard signature is great). |
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TravellingAround
Joined: 12 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Dewey. |
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| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
So TravellingAround here is a question for you. Do you feel that Dewey specifically is not a good agency to deal with? If not, then why is there an issue? |
There is no particular issue other than that I'm new to these boards and have been discussing another situation with yourself on the China board. If you care to look back at the discussion we have had then you will see that it has been conducted in a civil manner without any recourse for abuse.
However some other posters on there have suggested that you have links with recruiters and as such are biased in defending schools and recruiters. As can be seen I haven't been posting long so don't know whatever 'history' you may have with other posters.
So I asked you to quantify your position for a triumvirate of reasons - 1. I'm as nosey as a Chinese grandmother. 2. I have been looking at the websites in your signature and would like to know whether I can believe them to be unbiased. 3. I have noticed Dewey as a recruiter and would like to know if they are trustworthy or not as it may affect me should I need to use them. I didn't mean it to come across as accusatory or sceptical as it seemed to 
For the record I taught for two years in China and am looking to come to Taiwan in the New Year as have decided I don't really want to return to China just yet.
PS - I would look through all your posts but you don't half write a lot!  |
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Dr_Zoidberg
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Dewey. |
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| TravellingAround wrote: |
| I have noticed Dewey as a recruiter and would like to know if they are trustworthy or not as it may affect me should I need to use them. |
Again, try using the search function. Dewey has been discussed quite thoroughly, you should be able to determine from that whether or not you want to trust them. |
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SanChong
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