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nawlinsgurl



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: kerosene heaters-slow death by posioning?? Reply with quote

Much to my dislike, my husband bought a kerosene heater for our house last week. My school uses them and I always feel like they are making my throat dry and the smell they give off seems like posion.

But they are supposadly cheaper than the wall heater. (Our bill went from 6000 yen to 18000 yen in one month. It's never been that high, even in summer when we ran the Aircon all day long!)

I followed the directions and keep a window cracked or fan on while its running, but I still get this strange feeling it's slowly posioning us while we sleep...and our dog barks at it nonstop.

We don't use them in the States, well cause we have insulation and central heat/air, but it seems they are every where here.

So here's my question: Is the heater posioning us or am I just crazy? Confused
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: kerosene heaters-slow death by posioning?? Reply with quote

nawlinsgurl wrote:
Much to my dislike, my husband bought a kerosene heater for our house last week. My school uses them and I always feel like they are making my throat dry and the smell they give off seems like posion.

But they are supposadly cheaper than the wall heater. (Our bill went from 6000 yen to 18000 yen in one month. It's never been that high, even in summer when we ran the Aircon all day long!)

I followed the directions and keep a window cracked or fan on while its running, but I still get this strange feeling it's slowly posioning us while we sleep...and our dog barks at it nonstop.

We don't use them in the States, well cause we have insulation and central heat/air, but it seems they are every where here.

So here's my question: Is the heater posioning us or am I just crazy? Confused


Get a carbon monoxide detector. If you have a new heater, you should be fine. We had an old one until last winter, I would get bad headaches and my wife would check on me to see if i was still breathing periodically (while I was doing my masters).
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: kerosene heaters-slow death by posioning?? Reply with quote

nawlinsgurl wrote:
Much to my dislike, my husband bought a kerosene heater for our house last week. My school uses them and I always feel like they are making my throat dry and the smell they give off seems like posion.

But they are supposadly cheaper than the wall heater. (Our bill went from 6000 yen to 18000 yen in one month. It's never been that high, even in summer when we ran the Aircon all day long!)

I followed the directions and keep a window cracked or fan on while its running, but I still get this strange feeling it's slowly posioning us while we sleep...and our dog barks at it nonstop.

We don't use them in the States, well cause we have insulation and central heat/air, but it seems they are every where here.

So here's my question: Is the heater posioning us or am I just crazy? Confused


I used one for 3 winters in Japan and I'll never use one again. I had headaches, allergy-type symptoms, and the ocassional nose-bleed. When I eventually stopped using kerosene, all these symptoms ceased and I felt much much better. And yes, I too followed all the instructions, leaving windows open for air circulation, etc... What I ended up doing was getting a really cheap electric heater (or two, one for each room), and it works like a charm. No chemicals, no headaches, no messy gas spills on the front porch, and no trips to the gas station for the fuel. I also found that wearing an extra layer inside the house helps. Is it really gonna kill ya to wear thick socks, a sweater and even a wool hat inside the house? An electric blanket for the bed is also great.

I actually enjoy winter in Japan. I find it relatively mild compared to my native Canada. I'd take Japanese winter over the hell that is August anytime.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My family (in the states) always uses kerosene, and we have never died. If there is a window open or some sort of crack you wont die. You have to have a completely sealed house in order to get the full effect of carbon monoxide poisoning. So just keep a crack, keep more than one if that makes you feel better (it would make me feel better).
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Vince



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too wondered about long-term effects of breathing kerosene fumes. I didn't bother researching it, because the headaches were enough to dissuade me from using kerosene heat. I just used the wall-mounted heat carefully and dressed in warm clothes. A kotatsu, which I unfortunately never had, is great in the winter. They make table-and-chair ones too.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like one of the other posters suggested, get a small electric heater (halogen lamp ones are good cos they also provide a cosy light source and are silent with it). You should be able to heat a 6-8 tatami room non-stop with something like an 800W halogen lamp (depending on how well-insulated the room is), and your electricty bill will remain below 10,000 yen. Certainly, electric heaters are less smelly than kerosene ones, and less noisy than ACs running on heating mode (actually, I've found that ACs are TOO efficient and make me feel iller than a kerosene heater ever could...I guess I just can't take the heat LOL. Anyway, that explains why ACs cost a fair bit to run). But if you do continue with the kerosene thing then I'd suggest opening the windows nice and WIDE every 3 hours or so, rather than just depending on a little crack to give you the fresh air you need. You can also get kerosene heaters that have motorized extractor pipes to connect through walls to the outside (rather than being stand-alone units), which helps cut down on the need for continual ventilation somewhat (but installing one would probably need permission from a landlord).
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally wouldn't use one for sleeping (makes my eyes water, really). During the day is fine, as we use them in larger areas and they do save a lot on the electric bills. Another option is to buy an heating oil heater (not so common in Japan, and hot, so you have to make sure the dog doesn't play with it Wink ), but they do a great job of heating a room, and of course no smell.
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rai



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm always surprised at what different people try to economize on. I'm happy to pay an extra 10,000 yen/month on heating if it means being comfortable at home, and not getting sick. I hate kerosene heaters.

To each her own...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:17 am    Post subject: Halogen and Ceramic Reply with quote

There are so many kinds of heaters here that it's mind-boggling when you go to the store and it seems I've used them all at one time or another. The ones I have settled on for moderate cold are small halogen ( for under the computer desk and the kitchen), a small ceramic/electric one as a room heater and an electric one in the bathroom that we turn on for baths, etc. I also use an air conditioner in my main living/sleeping room when I am there, but I turn it off at night. I have a goose feather quilt that makes it too hot if I use any heater at night.

I also own an "oil fan heater" basically kerosene with an electric fan to move the air around. I only use that in very cold weather as I also feel it is unhealthy and seems to cause eczema around my eyes and mouth as well as headaches.

Plus, I wear a scarf, padded hantan jacket, layers, gloves and sometimes a knit cap in my old and leaky Japanese house ; at least no worries about the ventilation here. :)
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nawlinsgurl



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. I was quite worried as my husband said he has had some headaches and my nose has been bleeding (but that happens a lot even w/o the heater b/c of zyrtec) Anyways, I'm appreciate all the advice!!! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also--Gordon or anyone is-- is the carbon monoxide tester the little box under the oven? It flashes green? Does anyone know what I am talking about?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nawlinsgurl wrote:
Also--Gordon or anyone is-- is the carbon monoxide tester the little box under the oven? It flashes green? Does anyone know what I am talking about?


I don't know about that but I really think kerosene heaters are terrible. They are almost certainly detrimental to your health and if you feel uncomfortable when they are heating up your room then my advice is to steer clear of them.

As a few other posters before me I use a bar heater. They clearly don't create the biproducts of burning kerosene and they've never given me a headache except for the times that I have been out drinking too much and I ended up dehydrated.

I think you should ditch the kerosene heater if you value your health. It is similar to having someone smoking in your house all night to heat up your house.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nawlinsgurl wrote:
Also--Gordon or anyone is-- is the carbon monoxide tester the little box under the oven? It flashes green? Does anyone know what I am talking about?


Going by the description, not CO2, no. It should be the alarm for leaking gas.


Two options for heating IMO: _Vented_ kerosense heaters or oil column heaters. Anything else is a waste of money IMO.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G Cthulhu wrote:
nawlinsgurl wrote:
Also--Gordon or anyone is-- is the carbon monoxide tester the little box under the oven? It flashes green? Does anyone know what I am talking about?


Going by the description, not CO2, no. It should be the alarm for leaking gas.


Two options for heating IMO: _Vented_ kerosense heaters or oil column heaters. Anything else is a waste of money IMO.


No, it should be something separate. I picked one up when I went back "home" for a visit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nawlinsgurl wrote:
Also--Gordon or anyone is-- is the carbon monoxide tester the little box under the oven? It flashes green? Does anyone know what I am talking about?


I really think that if you are worried about kerosene to the point that you are asking questions about carbon monoxide testers, then you've answered your original query. Take the money you might consider spending on a tester and invest in a non-gas heater, a kotatsu or an electric blanket.
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