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thaipulse



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: Japan vs. Korea (new questions I haven't seen asked) Reply with quote

Hi - I'm currently in Thailand and not making enough. I'm still able to save some, maybe 15,000baht per month on average. I live very comfortably but still I'm looking at Korea and Japan as possibles for saving more. I read MANY posts here about the differences between the two - and the usual questions were answered in compaing them -but, many were not. Here are some specific questions that I'm hoping to get comparisons on - Japan vs. Korea.

Safety of teachers... I'm from America. Any problems with that in either country? I read that Korea sometimes had race riots... between who? Any insight on whether my wife and I would be safe. She is Thai - 24, and cute. I'm not sure what she'd be doing there except what she usually does here - eat, sleep, shop, make food, wash, take care of all errands, etc. I'm wondering - is she safe walking around big cities by herself? Do the police hassle Thai girls that are alone - thinking them possible prostitutes? Would she be ok in a small town?


Do they like Thai people in general or have a problem with them?


Safety of belongings... robbery... Are there frequent robberies of expats homes? Here in THailand it's getting pretty ridiculous. Half of the people I know have been robbed here. That is a large number. Whether it was cell phones taken out of pockets or motorsai baskets... or homes broken into while they were sleeping... and there have been MANY of those...

Does this happen in Japan or Korea? Much? Is it a serious problem like here? I carry my 40k baht camera, phone, and laptop all over for fear someone will break into my home while I'm gone!


Do most apartments have full kitchens? In Thailand a house will have it, an apartment - nope. Most - nope. People here eat out every meal usually. I don't I eat inside every meal but lunch, and even that my wife will cook day before from home.


If you get a VISA to stay - is it valid if you leave your job or if you are in-between jobs, or, like Thailand - does it expire immediately?



If traveling outside of the country and you have a Visa and are working there - like if I'd visit Thailand from Korea/Japan and return - are there fees for returning - or free? Is leaving the country limited with a certain number of times with a VISA or no?


Are there places to mountain bike??? I really love it and haven't found much here in Thailand and nobody seems to do it.

Surfing in either country? Bodyboarding? Body Surfing? Waves of any sort?


Is there a LOT of drug use among the foreigners that teach or live in either country? In Thailand for instance, I'm one out of 12 in the office that does not smoke pot.


Hmm, I think that's it... OH! What about internet - broadband? I know Korea is wired. But, Japan? Is it fast? Is it expensive? Do they have wireless? Is it reliable?


Ok, if anyone could answer any of this I'd be so much better off...

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vern,

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Safety of teachers... I'm from America. Any problems with that in either country? I read that Korea sometimes had race riots... between who? Any insight on whether my wife and I would be safe. She is Thai - 24, and cute. I'm not sure what she'd be doing there except what she usually does here - eat, sleep, shop, make food, wash, take care of all errands, etc. I'm wondering - is she safe walking around big cities by herself? Do the police hassle Thai girls that are alone - thinking them possible prostitutes? Would she be ok in a small town?
Japan is pretty safe.

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Do they like Thai people in general or have a problem with them?

Everyone is different, of course, but I have a friend married to a Thai woman. She is the most popular person in a large part of Sapporo.

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Safety of belongings... robbery... Are there frequent robberies of expats homes? Here in THailand it's getting pretty ridiculous. Half of the people I know have been robbed here. That is a large number. Whether it was cell phones taken out of pockets or motorsai baskets... or homes broken into while they were sleeping... and there have been MANY of those...
Same answer as #1. Pretty safe here.

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Do most apartments have full kitchens? In Thailand a house will have it, an apartment - nope. Most - nope. People here eat out every meal usually. I don't I eat inside every meal but lunch, and even that my wife will cook day before from home.
What's a full kitchen? Here, expect apartments to have pretty small kitchens and darned little counter space. Go with company housing, and you'll have a (probably tiny) fridge, a microwave, a 2-gas burner stove with built-in fish grill, and that's about it. If it's an old apartment, you may have to buy a water heater for the kitchen. Rent a place on your own, and you'll have to supply every appliance from fridge to washing machine, and everything else, from curtains to light fixtures.


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If you get a VISA to stay - is it valid if you leave your job or if you are in-between jobs, or, like Thailand - does it expire immediately?

It's "visa", not "VISA" (the credit card). Here, the visa is yours until it expires, even if you lose your job. They are issued for 1 or 3 years, at the whim of immigration, although you can request either one when you apply.


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If traveling outside of the country and you have a Visa and are working there - like if I'd visit Thailand from Korea/Japan and return - are there fees for returning - or free? Is leaving the country limited with a certain number of times with a VISA or no?

You have to buy a reentry permit, or your visa become invalidated. Single-use permit is 4000 yen (about US$40), and multiple-use permit is 6000 yen. They are good until your visa expires.

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Are there places to mountain bike??? I really love it and haven't found much here in Thailand and nobody seems to do it.
Japan is 75% mountains. www.outdoorjapan.com will be a good place to start.

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Surfing in either country? Bodyboarding? Body Surfing? Waves of any sort?
Japan has it, largely on Shikoku as I recall. Check out the above link for more info.

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Is there a LOT of drug use among the foreigners that teach or live in either country? In Thailand for instance, I'm one out of 12 in the office that does not smoke pot.
Not that I know of, but I'm a drug-free person. Pot is available, and probably the most common illegal substance, but whether you are caught with that or any other drug, you are in BIG trouble. Kiss your visa goodbye, and prepare to be shackled to the airport.

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Hmm, I think that's it... OH! What about internet - broadband? I know Korea is wired. But, Japan? Is it fast? Is it expensive? Do they have wireless? Is it reliable?
Internet? Japan (land of electronics)? They go together like peas and carrots (to quote Forrest Gump). Optic fiber (hikari fiba) is here, so is ADSL lines. Get Internet at home or even on your cell phone (if you like surfing with your thumb only). Home phone plus Internet will run 3500-5000 yen/month.
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markle



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Japan vs. Korea (new questions I haven't seen asked) Reply with quote

My situation is somewhat like yours only I've been here for a couple years now. I'll try not to double up on what Glenski has said. I don't know anything about Korea.

thaipulse wrote:
I'm not sure what she'd be doing there except what she usually does here - eat, sleep, shop, make food, wash, take care of all errands, etc. I'm wondering - is she safe walking around big cities by herself? Do the police hassle Thai girls that are alone - thinking them possible prostitutes? Would she be ok in a small town?

Most people here think my wife is Japanese and she doesn't dress like a prostitute so there has been no problem there. One thing though, unless she has already got good Japanese, she might find shopping, doing errands, etc, a bit of a problem.

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Do they like Thai people in general or have a problem with them?
What's not to like? Lot of people here have tralelled there and loved it.

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Do most apartments have full kitchens? In Thailand a house will have it, an apartment - nope. Most - nope. People here eat out every meal usually. I don't I eat inside every meal but lunch, and even that my wife will cook day before from home.

The apartments are generally better equipped than apartments in Bangkok but are just as small.

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Surfing in either country? Bodyboarding? Body Surfing? Waves of any sort?
My co-worker surfs every weekend in summer lots of places not just on Shikoku.


Couple other points to consider.
Bringing your wife won't be as straight forward as coming yourself. If you have a job lined up and the company has organised your visa then tacking your wife on as a dependant is usually no problem. But coming on a tourist visa and bringing your wife along will be much, much harder. Also be prepared to show plenty of evidence of marriage, etc.

Is she internet savvy? Get her to look for more info on Panthip.com, there is a pretty large Thai community here and online.
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AndyH



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in Korea before moving to Japan, so will try to add my $.02:

If you like to cook, you may find the relatively-small Japanese kitchens hard to get used to. But, in Korea my kitchen was even smaller, and more spartan.
I don't personally know any Thai people, but I do have a student who is 1/2 Thai. In general, there seems to be more diversity in Japan, and it is my opinion that for the most part, foreigners tend to live more comfortably in Japan. Of course, we all know that there tends to be exceptions.
As far as surfing goes, I live in Chiba Prefecture, and lots of people here surf.
For safety, again the edge goes to Japan. You probably won't have to worry about getting your ass kicked here in japan for being non-Japanese. I can't say the same for Korea. Also, it is my perception that there tends to be less theft here.
As far as the other topics go, I think Glenski and Markle already answered them.
Good luck, whatever your decision is!
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markle



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talked a bit with the wife about your situation and she agrees that unless you have a job lined up with a school prepared to help with getting a visa for both of you, your options are limited. The best bet would be for you to come here yourself, get set up and then bring your wife along after.

Just a thought, I have seen recruiters for Japanese schools operating out of Bangkok (ads in the Bkk Post). Also try Ajarn.com some of those guys might know someting.

Good luck
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Japan vs. Korea (new questions I haven't seen asked) Reply with quote

thaipulse wrote:
Safety of belongings... robbery... Are there frequent robberies of expats homes? Here in THailand it's getting pretty ridiculous. Half of the people I know have been robbed here. That is a large number. Whether it was cell phones taken out of pockets or motorsai baskets... or homes broken into while they were sleeping... and there have been MANY of those...

Does this happen in Japan or Korea? Much? Is it a serious problem like here? I carry my 40k baht camera, phone, and laptop all over for fear someone will break into my home while I'm gone!



I'm assuming that the reason that foreigners are targetted in Thailand for robbery is because they are seen as some of the wealthiest people. Don't worry, here in Japan you will be one of the poorest so you shouldn't get robbed.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Japan vs. Korea (new questions I haven't seen asked) Reply with quote

furiousmilksheikali wrote:
thaipulse wrote:
Safety of belongings... robbery... Are there frequent robberies of expats homes? Here in THailand it's getting pretty ridiculous. Half of the people I know have been robbed here. That is a large number. Whether it was cell phones taken out of pockets or motorsai baskets... or homes broken into while they were sleeping... and there have been MANY of those...

Does this happen in Japan or Korea? Much? Is it a serious problem like here? I carry my 40k baht camera, phone, and laptop all over for fear someone will break into my home while I'm gone!



I'm assuming that the reason that foreigners are targetted in Thailand for robbery is because they are seen as some of the wealthiest people. Don't worry, here in Japan you will be one of the poorest so you shouldn't get robbed.


You got that right. Only a moron would rob a foreigner in this country. We also dress like we have no money too.
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Japan vs. Korea (new questions I haven't seen asked) Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:
furiousmilksheikali wrote:
thaipulse wrote:
Safety of belongings... robbery... Are there frequent robberies of expats homes? Here in THailand it's getting pretty ridiculous. Half of the people I know have been robbed here. That is a large number. Whether it was cell phones taken out of pockets or motorsai baskets... or homes broken into while they were sleeping... and there have been MANY of those...

Does this happen in Japan or Korea? Much? Is it a serious problem like here? I carry my 40k baht camera, phone, and laptop all over for fear someone will break into my home while I'm gone!



I'm assuming that the reason that foreigners are targetted in Thailand for robbery is because they are seen as some of the wealthiest people. Don't worry, here in Japan you will be one of the poorest so you shouldn't get robbed.


You got that right. Only a moron would rob a foreigner in this country. We also dress like we have no money too.


Although a friend of mine was told by his manager that he should always lock his door when he leaves the house. The reason: There are lots of Chinese about!

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AndyH



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thai Impulse:
There are some schools (mine included) which will sponsor your wife's visa, as a spouse of a person with a work visa.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AndyH wrote:
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There are some schools (mine included) which will sponsor your wife's visa, as a spouse of a person with a work visa.
Andy, if someone's spouse is planning to come here and get a dependent visa, it is not the employer who sponsors the visa. It is the spouse who gets the work visa who does the sponsoring. Hence, the name dependent visa.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for seeting me straight.
But, I think some employers can assist in the legalities/paperwork, can't they?
I believe my school did, in order for a former co-worker to bring his wife with him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no "legality" to set straight. I have heard that some employers are kind enough to put the application materials for dependent visa in with their employee's work visa application when they add their own company paperwork. That's all. They are under no obligation to do so.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Thai student who was in Japan for 14 years with her Japanese husband and two kids. She couldn't have been more welcome by the Japanese. You might hear stories about Chinese and Koreans being regarded poorly and used as scapegoats by the Japanese. Thai don't seem to get that treatment.
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you can rent an old house relatively cheaply, and they tend to have larger kitchens than apartments do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Japan vs. Korea (new questions I haven't seen asked) Reply with quote

I've spend about a year in both countries, so I'll give it a go. I lived in a medium sized city in Korea, and I live in Tokyo currently.

thaipulse wrote:
Hi - I'm currently in Thailand and not making enough. I'm still able to save some, maybe 15,000baht per month on average. I live very comfortably but still I'm looking at Korea and Japan as possibles for saving more. I read MANY posts here about the differences between the two - and the usual questions were answered in compaing them -but, many were not. Here are some specific questions that I'm hoping to get comparisons on - Japan vs. Korea.
If you're working in a regular English school, you'll save more in Korea. You can still do alright in Japan though.
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Safety of teachers... I'm from America. Any problems with that in either country?
Both countries are fine.
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I read that Korea sometimes had race riots... between who?
Between the drunk Korean guy and the drunk foreign guy who was talking to his woman. Basically, if you don't act like an ass when (and if) you drink, you should be fine.
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Any insight on whether my wife and I would be safe. She is Thai - 24, and cute. I'm not sure what she'd be doing there except what she usually does here - eat, sleep, shop, make food, wash, take care of all errands, etc. I'm wondering - is she safe walking around big cities by herself? Do the police hassle Thai girls that are alone - thinking them possible prostitutes? Would she be ok in a small town?
Korea is generally a safe country. She should be safe. Just use the usual precautions (ie. don't let her wander around by herself in a seedy area of town, etc.). Japan is even more safe. Of course, both countries do have cases of rape and sexual harassment that often go unreported. Even though both places are safe, don't go assuming that they are crime free.


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Do they like Thai people in general or have a problem with them?
For daily living, she should be okay. You might get more stares than she would.


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Safety of belongings... robbery... Are there frequent robberies of expats homes?
I haven't heard of any in Japan, but I've had a couple friends who were robbed from in Korea. It was the exception, though. If you keep your doors and windows locked, it's usually okay.
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Here in THailand it's getting pretty ridiculous. Half of the people I know have been robbed here. That is a large number. Whether it was cell phones taken out of pockets or motorsai baskets... or homes broken into while they were sleeping... and there have been MANY of those...
I've never seen this after living in Japan for 10 months, and saw it maybe 3-4 times after 12 months in Korea. Personally, I had a jacket stolen from a bar (probably by a foreigner), a girl I knew had someone go into her apartment and steal her laptop, and a friend of mine had his motorbike stolen (but we found it a few hours later a couple of blocks away. My friend forgot to lock it.).

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Does this happen in Japan or Korea? Much? Is it a serious problem like here? I carry my 40k baht camera, phone, and laptop all over for fear someone will break into my home while I'm gone!
It's definitely not that back in either Korea or Japan!


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Do most apartments have full kitchens? In Thailand a house will have it, an apartment - nope. Most - nope. People here eat out every meal usually. I don't I eat inside every meal but lunch, and even that my wife will cook day before from home.
Yes. They are small, but you will usually have a fridge, gas range, sink, small prep area, etc.

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If you get a VISA to stay - is it valid if you leave your job or if you are in-between jobs, or, like Thailand - does it expire immediately?
In Jpana, your visa is valid between jobs. You can use your same visa for a new job, provided that it hasn't expired, and that your job is of the same type (ie. you can't use a teaching visa for a mechanic job). In Korea, your visa is only good for one job. If you change jobs, you must apply for a new visa. It expires almost immediately (you have a few days, and it's possible to apply for an extension on how long you have to leave the country and apply for a new visa. Most people go to Japan, get a new visa, and come back in a couple days.)


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If traveling outside of the country and you have a Visa and are working there - like if I'd visit Thailand from Korea/Japan and return - are there fees for returning - or free? Is leaving the country limited with a certain number of times with a VISA or no?
In both counties, you need to buy a multiple entry visa. They'll just add a stamp or sticker to your visa in both countries. There is a small fee (less than US$50). If you don't have this, then you have to pay money every time you leave the country and come back.

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Are there places to mountain bike??? I really love it and haven't found much here in Thailand and nobody seems to do it.
Probably. There are lots of mountains and trails around, and there are mountain bike shops in both countries. Personally, I never got into it, so I don't know how good trails would be.

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Surfing in either country? Bodyboarding? Body Surfing? Waves of any sort?
In Korea, not really. There is windsurfing, but not much for regular surfing. The waves aren't that great in Korea (maybe in Jeju-do, but you'd have to look into that). In Japan, I've heard of surfing on the east coast of Kyushu.

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Is there a LOT of drug use among the foreigners that teach or live in either country? In Thailand for instance, I'm one out of 12 in the office that does not smoke pot.
No, there is not. The penalties are way too harsh in both Korea and Japan for drug use. Most foreigners agree that it's just not worth it. There is some though, but you have to look. It's not out in the open at all. In Korea and Japan, if you smoked pot, you'd likely be the only one of 12 who does.


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Hmm, I think that's it... OH! What about internet - broadband? I know Korea is wired. But, Japan? Is it fast? Is it expensive? Do they have wireless? Is it reliable?
Both are wired and fast. It's a bit cheaper in Korea. Think US$40-50 a month in Korea, and US$50-60 in Japan. Major places, like large train stations and McDonald's Laughing has wireless.


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Ok, if anyone could answer any of this I'd be so much better off...

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