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HollyC
Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 74
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: KNS Language Institute |
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Hi. Does anyone work for or know anything about this institute? They seem pretty good from their website but I want some opinions if anyone has any. And before anyone tells me to do a "search", I have already done that and nothing pops up. Thanks for your help. |
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BigWally

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 765 Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Holly,
PM me. |
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Toe Save

Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 202 Location: 'tween the pipes.........
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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BigWally wrote: |
Holly,
PM me. |
Wally,
Why? Don't you think your information benefits the general good?
Just curious is all.  |
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AQUA MARINA
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Posts: 104 Location: Canada *In TAIWAN AUGUST 8TH!**
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yamahuh
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Karaoke Hell
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: |
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We've been looking at this organization as well.
Is this the company you're working for Big Wally?
If so can you post up some info or P.M me as well?
Thanks dude!!
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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KNS does not have any complaints about it that I am aware of, and in fact the only comment listed on the buxiban.com site is a positive one.
They have a number of schools in southern Taiwan which does include some kindergarten classes however.
I would watch the following though:
1. Don't get involved with teaching kindergarten aged kids no matter what the school may tell you as far as being legal or not;
2. Ensure that if they ask you to teach at more than one of their schools (even as just a sub) that you have each of the individual schools added to your ARC. If each school is not named on your ARC then you won't be legal.
Judging by the hours being offered at this particular school in the job ad it seems that most if not all of the classes would be elementary aged kids.
I would be surprised if the four weeks holidays are paid, but it is pretty standard not to get paid for those in Taiwan so thats not a negative for this school, just something worth confirming.
I would also be surprised if the accomodation was included. The ad is a bit ambiguous here, but my guess is that they help you find accomodation but that you pay for it yourself. If they are offering free accomodation on that wage then that is pretty good, but be wary of school provided accomodation as it can limit your options if you decide to leave.
Finally, contract completion bonuses are also pretty standard, but I would recommend that you always do your math based upon the assumption that you won't get that bonus. Provided that you complete the contract then you almost definitely will get it, but don't come to rely upon it just in case.
Overall it seems that they could be a good opportunity - it would be good to hear from Big Wally though. |
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Toe Save

Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 202 Location: 'tween the pipes.........
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
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While Clark's advice is spot on (as usual), I would caution n00bs about being too picky with their contractual demands. Yes, kindy teaching is illegal. However, almost everyone teaches in a kindy. The law has shades of grey to it here in Taiwan that make it difficult for our western sensibilities to understand.. As a first year Teacher, you are a dime a dozen. So if you get too demanding with your questioning of the contract, you may find yourelf without a job. In fact, this situation is more likely to happen that that of being deported for working in a kindy.
So, yes, be careful. But also be wise. It is a business and you, dear "teacher" are extremely replaceable. |
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dangerousapple
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 292
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: |
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I worked for KNS years ago when it was a brand-new school. It was a good place to work then, although I had personal issues with the owners that had nothing to do with the quality of their school. They expected a lot from the teachers, but were generally up-front about their expectations. I don't have an opinion as to the current situation there, but I personally know some of the head office staff, and they are honest people. |
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BigWally

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 765 Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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clark.w.griswald wrote: |
KNS does not have any complaints about it that I am aware of, and in fact the only comment listed on the buxiban.com site is a positive one. |
Overall, I would say the experience is a good one. Like any bushiban there will be some complaints, but it is clearly not in my schools best interest to air my personal opinions in a public forum. PM me if you would like to know more.
clark.w.griswald wrote: |
They have a number of schools in southern Taiwan which does include some kindergarten classes however. |
There are currently 5 branches in Kaohsiung, and that is all. As far as I know, and I know teachers from each branch, none of these branches have illegal kindy classes. They are ALL bushiban.
clark.w.griswald wrote: |
Judging by the hours being offered at this particular school in the job ad it seems that most if not all of the classes would be elementary aged kids. |
The age range for the students is typically 6-13.
clark.w.griswald wrote: |
I would be surprised if the four weeks holidays are paid, but it is pretty standard not to get paid for those in Taiwan so thats not a negative for this school, just something worth confirming. |
There are no paid holidays. Time off includes, Chinese New Year, Government Holidays, 3 "Personal" Days (days of your choice, but need to pre-approved by managment), summer vacation, and a few others.
clark.w.griswald wrote: |
I would also be surprised if the accomodation was included. The ad is a bit ambiguous here, but my guess is that they help you find accomodation but that you pay for it yourself. If they are offering free accomodation on that wage then that is pretty good, but be wary of school provided accomodation as it can limit your options if you decide to leave. |
There is no accomodation provided. However, with 5 branches, there is a very good network of teachers who can easily help you find a good place to live. Kaohsiung has ample housing available at reasonably low prices. There is also a "new staff liasion" who is a very friendly, out going Canadian. He will pick you up at the airport, help you get a scooter, an apartment, get your health check, get your Visas, take you out to some of the local eating places/pubs. He speaks Chinese, and has a Taiwanese girlfriend, and has been here for a while. So he really helps you get over the intital barriers that a lot of foriegners face.
clark.w.griswald wrote: |
Finally, contract completion bonuses are also pretty standard, but I would recommend that you always do your math based upon the assumption that you won't get that bonus. Provided that you complete the contract then you almost definitely will get it, but don't come to rely upon it just in case. |
Bonus at the end of the contract is based upon the number of hours worked in the year. You get a dollar amount per hour worked.
clark.w.griswald wrote: |
Overall it seems that they could be a good opportunity - it would be good to hear from Big Wally though. |
I hope this helps anyone out looking into KNS. Again, if you have any further questions feel free to PM me, I'm online pretty much everyday and I'll give you the straight up goods. No BS.
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dvasas

Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 138 Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: KNS Language Institute |
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HollyC wrote: |
Hi. Does anyone work for or know anything about this institute? They seem pretty good from their website but I want some opinions if anyone has any. And before anyone tells me to do a "search", I have already done that and nothing pops up. Thanks for your help. |
I thought these guys were recruiters or at least partly recruiting teachers to work at different schools |
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BigWally

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 765 Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: KNS Language Institute |
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dvasas wrote: |
HollyC wrote: |
Hi. Does anyone work for or know anything about this institute? They seem pretty good from their website but I want some opinions if anyone has any. And before anyone tells me to do a "search", I have already done that and nothing pops up. Thanks for your help. |
I thought these guys were recruiters or at least partly recruiting teachers to work at different schools |
100% NOT RECRUITERS. They have a guy in Canada who does their recruiting from there, but he works directly for the school and only recruits for the 5 (soon to be 7) branches around Kaohsiung. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks BigWally. It's good to hear from a teacher actually working there.
Everything sounds pretty good to me, except for the bit about them not having preschool classes. KNS, or at least someone representing them and looking for new teachers, posted this on the internet:
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KNS' Language Institute in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, is a leader in teaching English as a foreign language. We are also a licensed Cambridge Examination Center that serves the southern Taiwan area.
Learning English at the elementary school level has become increasingly popular, and now with the Taiwan government giving the go-ahead for classes in schools, parents here are now sending their children to private language schools such as ours, in order to establish a sound early basis for developing fluency in the English skills of listening, speaking, reading and writing.
The age of our students' ranges from 4-15 years and our school is one of those recognized and certificated by the Taiwan Government to teach English from Kindergarten through Grade 6. Currently, we have five campuses, with a role of over 1600 students and the number is increasing. |
So they are advertising that they offer classes to students aged 4-6 which would be kindy age, and they mention that they teach Kindergarten to Grade 6.
So perhaps there are no kindy classes at the school that you are working for, but it seems that they are out there.
I like Toesaves way of looking at the whole 'teaching kindy' issue as it is very true. I just think that given the choice when working at a school like KNS, if you can swing things so that you are only teaching the older kids and hence fully legal then you are placing yourself in the best position. |
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BigWally

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 765 Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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One thing that I can think of, that might be "kindy-ish" , is what is called an A level class (onloy offered at one of the branches), this would be that age group that you're speaking of...
but I know that if there was a seperation, there isnt any seperation as far as the building from the regular student population...there are only 5 branches, and no special kindy buildings, and "regular" bushiban classes are taught in all buildings...
also there are 2 new branches scheduled to be opened by 08-09, so they may be getting their cards in order before they designate one of the new branches kindy-only??
none the less, overall its a decent school, and like i said before i'm glad to help out anyone interested in specific questions |
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