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sleepwalk



Joined: 11 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Completely clueless Reply with quote

I was in University for 2 years, college for one year and I left both.
All I have in my credentials, is a credit for a 6 months leadership/missionary course through an organization.
Over the course of this year, I travelled to Switzerland, Amsterdam, Cairo and South America.
While in Cairo, I had the opportunity to teach English for one month to students and staff.
Unfortunately, I have no reference from the school I taught at.

Having this experience, and these (lack thereof) of credentials,
I wanted to know where (or if) I can teach English. I'm leaning towards Asia, but it'd be great to know where else I'd be qualified for.
I already know that Korea and Japan are an impossibility, but China is a possibility.
However I don't know what to expect from the schools that I would be (if I even am) qualified for.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even with no degree, you can still work legally in Japan under certain circumstances.

student visa
cultural visa
working holiday visa

Do you qualify for any of these? You need special permission to work for the first 2, and it's only part-time hours, but that's official hours and doesn't count what you can make freelance. The last one is good only for certain nationalities and is good for 12 or 18 months, but at least it gets your foot in the door.

Get 3 years of teaching experience somewhere, and you can even get a full work visa here!
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sleepwalk



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that.
I was under the impression that for the first two, you cannot work
if you are a holder of those particular visas?

Also, could you possibly suggest any particular schools
that do accept applicants with no degrees?
That was pretty shocking to read, as I haven't been able to
find any myself.

Does anyone know any schools in China as well?
Sorry to be such a bother! Embarassed
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naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOu could get jobs in CHina easily. YOu will only make about 500 USD and teach about 18 hours at a uni, but you get perks like a free funrnished flat.
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eslstudies



Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Location: East of Aden

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
YOu could get jobs in CHina easily. YOu will only make about 500 USD and teach about 18 hours at a uni, but you get perks like a free funrnished flat.


A job, perhaps, but hopefully not in a university. By law, these require a degree, though of course there are exceptions. For example, the Ningxia Sardine Fishery University may need a white face, but stand little chance of getting one with the 3000Y a month they offer. However, their relationship with the local visa issuing authority is excellent. So,.............
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was under the impression that for the first two, you cannot work
if you are a holder of those particular visas?

Re-read what I wrote. Under the visas alone, true, you cannot work, however if you get special permission (a relatively easy thing to ask for), you can work part-time with them.

Sorry, but I don't know places that accept people without degrees. They are out there, but you must have the proper visa eligibility first. I don't know why you found that so shocking.

What is your nationality? You might be eligible for a working holiday visa.
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sleepwalk



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Glenski"]
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Sorry, but I don't know places that accept people without degrees. They are out there, but you must have the proper visa eligibility first. I don't know why you found that so shocking.

What is your nationality? You might be eligible for a working holiday visa.


Sorry for the late reply.
I'm Canadian, so I do believe I'm eligible for a working holiday.

I found it shocking, because I do know some acquaintances who
work for JET and NOVA, and they said it was next to impossible for
an agency to accept someone without any degrees.
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cangringo



Joined: 18 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about the rest of Latin American but you don't need a degree for Mexico necessarily. It depends what kind of school you want to teach at...I believe the Universities require degrees and possibly the American Schools but there are private schools that don't. Of course having a TEFL cert would help a lot. I am assuming you don't have that??
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm Canadian, so I do believe I'm eligible for a working holiday.
It takes more than just citizenship. Look at the WHV homepage for other requirements (age, proof of funds, airline ticket).
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html
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ls650



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should really consider a TEFL certificate. If you have no uni degree, this will open some doors for you.

Indonesia is no problem, at least for the entry level language schools like EF.

As cangringa mentions, you could probably find work with some schools in Mexico with such a certificate.
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im sure china will be OK....I am just about to start my first paid placement at a foreign language college in Wenchang, Hainan Province..

I dont have a degree....but I have done some volunteer work at this college which In guess helps...and I have two online TEFL certs

Contract is up to 15 hours per week...accomodation paid, and flight home at end of contract....3300 rmb per month....which may be sneered at by some on here...but Wenchang is much cheaper to leave and eat in than many mainland towns, so Im quite happy!
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eslstudies



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick, if I may ask, what visa status are they promising you?
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winterlynx1



Joined: 17 Nov 2005
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Location: Xi'an, Shaanxi, China

PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some provinces in China are firming up on the degree requirement - it's getting more difficult in some areas to get a working visa without the degree. But that said, there are still lots of areas where the regulations are more relaxed. The advice about getting a TESOL certificate is good. This is a lot more fun if you have some basics to go on.
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do so many of you hate China so much that you actually try to assist unqualified and unprepared people get jobs there? You demean the teaching profession, you demean the Chinese students.
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Bayden



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malsol wrote:
Why do so many of you hate China so much that you actually try to assist unqualified and unprepared people get jobs there? You demean the teaching profession, you demean the Chinese students.

First, teaching english in China is not a profession, but let's not start that again.
The point I want to make is that if only qualified people, and by that I mean qualified to teach English, were accepted, you would be denying many students any contact at all with a native speaker.
I'm qualified, but not to teach English, I did however teach for a couple of years. I enjoyed it, my students enjoyed it and I discovered I was quite good at it.
There is no way enough qualified teachers to fulfill Chinas need could be convinced to leave secure jobs and careers to come to China unless salaries across the board were equal to western salaries, and that's never going to happen.
I do see a situation arising sometime in the future similar to Thailand, where the authorities will require all English teachers/instructors be qualified only to discover they cannot meet their quotas and have to back down to a degree.
Meanwhile teaching English in China remains a cool option for those wishing only to travel, experience and earn (a little).
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