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JohnConnor
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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 Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: Taiwan in the United Nations? |
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Hey all. I've been reading headlines in the website english.www.gov.tw and I found something very interesting. It's about Taiwan joining the UN. Now they talked about this for years. But I found a petition on the internet which people can sign to support Taiwan's entry into the UN. It only takes a few minutes to sign. Only fields you need to fill in are your first and last name. (You could put in a false last name).
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/support-taiwan-s-bid-to-un.html
http://www.gopetition.com/sign.php?petid=6889
The second link is to sign the petition itself. And here's a link to the FAQ's such as "I heard these aren't so effective" or "How do I write an effective petition?".
http://www.gopetition.com/help.php
See ya.
John Connor
p.s. Many of you think it's totally not effective. But even if it isn't, well it only takes a couple of minutes of your time to fill it out.
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TaoyuanSteve
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Location: Taoyuan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think the UN would have too many issues recognizing Taiwan if it were a country. As it stands it is the Republic of China, the precommunist government of all of China whose constitution still lays claim to all of China. Recognizing the Republic of China would amount to recognizing two central governments as legitimate in China and with authority over all of China. I think, as is, the UN really can't recognize Taiwan. |
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teflmonkey
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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| Taiwan joining the UN. Now they talked about this for years. |
I wrote my undergraduate History thesis on this very subject--and thus my overeager know-it-all response  . Steve hit it right on the spot, recognizing the ROC would amount to having "two Chinas." As a matter of fact, my home country (the USA) spent a lot of diplomatic energy and money keeping the ROC in the UN and the PRC out, and has only switched recognition (and acknowledged some realities) as of 1979.
Taipei sits in a difficult spot, because if the ROC reconfigured its mandate to include just Taiwan and attempted true independence and recognition, Beijing has promised to take the island by force (any of you who were in Taiwan in 1996 are familiar, I bet). The PRC claims Taiwan, too, as part of its territory.
It's sort of odd to think that all these forms and tests and visas and bureaucratic red tape we have to deal with are with a government that's only recognized by 24 other countries (like Panama and Burkina Faso, to name some diplomatic giants  ) and could be dissolved in a flash of PLA tanks and bombs.
But let's hope that doesn't happen, and that the status quo continues for some time. But the OP's idealism isn't unwarranted, it would be wonderful if every country could get along economically and territorially, and everyone could govern themselves as they see fit... and then the world wouldn't have need for things like bombs, treaties, and the UN. Someday, perhaps.  |
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Jared
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
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The United nations is an organization based and founded on human rights. China abuses human rights to this day. On the bases of democratic freedom and human rights, Taiwan is far more qualified than China is to join the UN. Besides Taiwan this time wants to apply to the UN under the name "Taiwan". Which means they won't be trying to take back the seat which China has. Besides by most definitions, Taiwan is already a separate country. They're just not a "formal" independant country. Besides when you look at Tiananmen Square, China selling live prisoners organs, execution busses, using torture to force people to commit crimes they didn't commit, and yet Taiwan is not like this at all, don't you think that we should all in one way or another argue that Taiwan must be recognized as an independant country?
| TaoyuanSteve wrote: |
| I don't think the UN would have too many issues recognizing Taiwan if it were a country. As it stands it is the Republic of China, the precommunist government of all of China whose constitution still lays claim to all of China. Recognizing the Republic of China would amount to recognizing two central governments as legitimate in China and with authority over all of China. I think, as is, the UN really can't recognize Taiwan. |
Like I said. Taiwan doesn't want to represent China and they're not applying under the name "Republic of China". They are only representing themselves. Think about it. If things keep going the way they are, Taiwan will become occupied by China one way or another. Taiwan may have a 50 year system like Hong Kong does, but when that 50 years is over, they revert back to the mainland system. Then they bring in all the execution busses, human rights abuses, and all that other stuff mentioned above. China just plays around with human rights. And Taiwan is one that has a really good reputation on it's "own" "NATIONAL" human rights records. But those that support the One China Policy only care about the money they can make off China. Only Taiwan today cares about the human rights issues. The only thing we as a community can do is try to do what we can do on our own personal behalfs. What we all can do, I'm not really sure. But if there's anything we can do, we might as well try now. What do you think? |
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