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buddhaboyjp
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 Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: Keeping Permanent Status |
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After 17 years of living the "love, hate" existence here, I have decided to leave and put up with other cultural frustrations (joking), that being Hong Kong.
I want to maintain my Permanent Residancy because I do have 3 children still living here (divorced) and I heard it is best to keep a Japanese address. Is this the way to go about it?
Also, besides informing the usual utility companies for the final payments, do I need to report this to the Yaku-ba or local govt? Would this be a silly thing to do?
Thanks in advance. |
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shuize
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| I'd be interested in a definitive answer about this as well. So far, I've been working off the assumption that as long as you return within the period authorized in your re-entry permit, there shouldn't be a problem (i.e. three years in the case of multiple re-entry). But it wouldn't surprise me if immigration started to get suspicious when you turned around and asked for another re-entry permit two weeks after a three year absence. |
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Mark
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Location: Tokyo, Japan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| I imagine that permanent residents would be required to spend a certain percentage of their time in Japan. If they don't, they would then lose their status. I have no idea about the particulars with respect to Japan, though. Probably best to ask at the immigration office. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: |
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People with PR status must still obtain a reentry permit before leaving the country. Failure to do so would invalidate their status. Overstaying the expiration of a reentry permit (3 years) would do the same.
So, it's not as permanent as you may think. Go to Hong Kong if you like, but you still have to return to keep your PR status. |
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Hoser
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
People with PR status must still obtain a reentry permit before leaving the country. Failure to do so would invalidate their status. Overstaying the expiration of a reentry permit (3 years) would do the same.
So, it's not as permanent as you may think. Go to Hong Kong if you like, but you still have to return to keep your PR status. |
Jezuz. They really don't want other people staying in their country do they? I'm curious to see what the immigration numbers are like for Japan. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| They really don't want other people staying in their country do they? |
What do you mean? If you are a "permanent resident" by immigration's standards, you have to earn that right, but if you leave for years on end, how can you safely call yourself a permanent resident? |
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shuize
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
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| They really don't want other people staying in their country do they? |
What do you mean? If you are a "permanent resident" by immigration's standards, you have to earn that right, but if you leave for years on end, how can you safely call yourself a permanent resident? |
In some ways, Japan is actually more accommodating than the U.S. Here in Japan, the three-year multiple re-entry permits seem to be granted to permanent residents automatically. As I understand the procedure in the U.S., permanent residents do not need such a permit for short-term departures. However, anything longer than a year requires a special application.* Absences of longer than one year without the proper paperwork may result in loss of permanent residency.
*U.S./Japanese couples who've lived in the U.S. and gone through the hassle of obtaining permanent residency for the Japanese spouse should be careful to fill out the paperwork before moving to Japan for any length of time. While an amusing sight for me, I'm sure the experience of having her green card snapped up by a U.S. immigration official at the airport was not much fun for the unsuspecting returnee I witnessed on a recent trip back to the States. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| In some ways, Japan is actually more accommodating than the U.S. Here in Japan, the three-year multiple re-entry permits seem to be granted to permanent residents automatically. |
Pardon me for saying so, but there is no "automatic" or "non-automatic" granting of such a permit. Reentry is offered as a single-use (4000 yen) or multiple-use (6000 yen) permit that you buy. It is not "granted", and people with PR or with regular visas can purchase them. |
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movinaround
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
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| In some ways, Japan is actually more accommodating than the U.S. Here in Japan, the three-year multiple re-entry permits seem to be granted to permanent residents automatically. |
Pardon me for saying so, but there is no "automatic" or "non-automatic" granting of such a permit. Reentry is offered as a single-use (4000 yen) or multiple-use (6000 yen) permit that you buy. It is not "granted", and people with PR or with regular visas can purchase them. |
I disagree. The right to come back into the country is granted (or "permitted"). The fee is an administrative fee and not a "purchase" at all. I must admit, I have never heard anyone speak of a visa (or reentry permit) in that way before. |
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shuize
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
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In some ways, Japan is actually more accommodating than the U.S. Here in Japan, the three-year multiple re-entry permits seem to be granted to permanent residents automatically.
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Pardon me for saying so, but there is no "automatic" or "non-automatic" granting of such a permit. Reentry is offered as a single-use (4000 yen) or multiple-use (6000 yen) permit that you buy. It is not "granted", and people with PR or with regular visas can purchase them. |
You are correct that it is not free. But the procedure is titled "Application for Re-entry Permit."* As such, I do not think there is anything wrong with the term "granted" to describe the near automatic approval of such applications. In any event, I have never heard of a permanent resident ever being denied a multiple re-entry permit.
* http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/kanri/shyorui/06.html |
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Hoser
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
Hoser wrote:
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| They really don't want other people staying in their country do they? |
What do you mean? If you are a "permanent resident" by immigration's standards, you have to earn that right, but if you leave for years on end, how can you safely call yourself a permanent resident? |
I guess your and my definitions of "permanent" are quite different. |
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Glenski
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Has anyone ever heard of a reentry permit being denied? I haven't. I believe the application is just a formality. They just want your money. It takes 30 seconds for the permit to be "granted". Gee, not much in the way of deliberation, if you ask me. Got the money, and you get the permit.
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| I guess your and my definitions of "permanent" are quite different. |
It's not my definition that you are at odds with. It's the Japanese government's. I just happen to agree with it. |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Glenski wrote: |
| Has anyone ever heard of a reentry permit being denied? I haven't. I believe the application is just a formality. |
I once knew someone on a WHV had their re-entry permit application denied. Don't know why and this was many years ago, but I guess it can (or used to!) happen at least occasionally. |
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shuize
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| Glenski wrote: |
| Has anyone ever heard of a reentry permit being denied? I haven't. I believe the application is just a formality. They just want your money. It takes 30 seconds for the permit to be "granted". Gee, not much in the way of deliberation, if you ask me. Got the money, and you get the permit. |
I can't really remember when I heard it, but I seem to recall hearing something about how a request for a multiple re-entry permit was denied and a single re-entry was granted.
The memory is very hazy though. I could be very well be mistaken. |
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canuck
Joined: 11 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| Has anyone ever heard of a reentry permit being denied? I haven't. I believe the application is just a formality. They just want your money. It takes 30 seconds for the permit to be "granted". Gee, not much in the way of deliberation, if you ask me. Got the money, and you get the permit. |
I agree. It's like buying a stamp at the post office, except you need to do a little paperwork. |
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