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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: University jobs with not MEd-Masters? Reply with quote

I am looking into teaching abroad with my husband and son sometime within the next year. I have my Masters in Counseling-(MA-not MEd). I am working towards a certification in Pennsylvania that will make me eligible to counsel in international schools but what would my chances of being able to attain a University jobs. We are looking to pay off some debt and would like to start off in Asia. Thanks.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

International schools in Japan require that you have a teaching license from your home country, plus a year or two of teaching experience there.
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The_Hanged_Man



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski and Gordon would know better than I, but university positions in Japan generally are ESL related and therefore you would need a related degree. However, with your background I think you would be a good candidate for an international school once you get certified. Is your husband a certified teacher? Generally international schools only like to hire teachers with at most one dependent (none is best). Dependents are expensive for schools and they like to avoid them if possible.

--edited so it makes sense Laughing


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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glenski and Gordon would know better than I, but universities in Japan generally are ESL related and therefore you would need a related degree.
I don't even understand what this means. Hanged Man, could you elaborate?

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However, with your background I think you would be a good candidate for an international school once you get certified.
What would she be certified to teach? Counseling? International schools in Japan require a teaching license from back home, plus a year or two of work experience there. The license is for a specific field, and I've never heard of any JHS or SHS offering lessons in counseling to its students.

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Generally international schools only like to hire teachers with at most one dependent (none is best). Dependents are expensive for schools and they like to avoid them if possible.
Again, can you explain what you are talking about? How is a dependent expensive for the school? The school would hire the teacher and not have any obligation to his/her spouse at all.
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify-my intention is to be a guidance counselor in an international school or try to get a job teaching in a University setting. It is not common to have counseling courses in high school or lower and not that often in undergraduate course work either. I have seem postings for teaching psychology.
I am not set on the idea of Japan-I think I would like to start out in Asia and end up in Europe with possible stops in between.
I have done my own research regarding counseling in an international schoos and I am on my way to qualify for such a position. Now I am just trying to figure out which countries may consider me for work at a University level and what I should do to brush up on teaching skills (that site offered on the other post should be very helpful-thanks). I'm only curious about University as I will have a dependent-at least one-to answer your question my husband is not certified to teach anything currently but is considering starting off with a TOEFL course and earning a distance degree while abroad. THanks for your input!![/i]
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK-before everyone jumps on me, I mean Im only curious about University (as opposed to Language schools) because of dependents for financial reasons-I would actually really enjoy working at a Language school and that is what drew my attention to this site originally.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kate, you would not be able to teach psychology or other types of counseling courses. Japanese teachers would do this or someone extremely fluent in Japanese. Your degree is not transferable to EFL either. Try China, any degree will do there.
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The_Hanged_Man



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glenski and Gordon would know better than I, but universities in Japan generally are ESL related and therefore you would need a related degree.
I don't even understand what this means. Hanged Man, could you elaborate?


Sorry I meant university positions are generally ESL related. Unless of course you speak fluent Japanese.

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However, with your background I think you would be a good candidate for an international school once you get certified.
What would she be certified to teach? Counseling? International schools in Japan require a teaching license from back home, plus a year or two of work experience there. The license is for a specific field, and I've never heard of any JHS or SHS offering lessons in counseling to its students.


I meant work as a counselor which is what she asked about.

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Generally international schools only like to hire teachers with at most one dependent (none is best). Dependents are expensive for schools and they like to avoid them if possible.
Again, can you explain what you are talking about? How is a dependent expensive for the school? The school would hire the teacher and not have any obligation to his/her spouse at all.


Trust me single parents with multiple children or dependent spouses have a much more difficult time getting hired. Most good schools provide contractual benefits for dependents such as larger housing arrangements, insurance, and free tuition for children. This stuff costs money and school generally prefer to hire singles with no children or teaching couples with at most two kids.

In addition, dependent spouses are an issue because the schools will be curious what exactly that person will do. Unemployed spouses can get bored and isolated easily in a foreign country, which could lead them to break their contract and leave.

For example this was taken from ISS's website (a major recruiter) http://www.iss.edu/edustaff/qualifications.html

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Most schools do not consider candidates with more than two nonteaching dependents. The rule of thumb is often one dependent per full-time contract.


This was taken from UNI's website (another major recruiter)
http://www.uni.edu/placement/overseas/osfair/fairstats.html

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Candidates who are single with no dependents or part of a certified married teaching team are most successful. Typically, over 95% of the successful candidates at UNI are in one of these categories. Candidates with dependents or non-teaching spouses should speak with the UNI staff before ordering registration materials.


And finally from Search (the last big recruiter in the US)
http://www.searchassociates.com/candidates/before_applying.cfm

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Most international schools will give hiring preference to single teachers without dependents or to teaching couples (both qualified teachers) with no more than two accompanying children. Teachers who do not meet this criteria will generally not be competitive in the placement process and are discouraged from making application through Search Associates.


I'm not saying its fair, that just how it is.
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off-I think it is clear from all the posts that Japan will not be my best bet. So that is established. Also, I keep jumping around-the psychology posts that I mentioned were at international schools and it is not something I am really interested in anyway-certainly not teaching it in a foriegn language-it was just an observation really. Thanks for all the tips on Japan does anyone else have insight from other Asian countries?
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The_Hanged_Man



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm only curious about University as I will have a dependent-at least one-to answer your question my husband is not certified to teach anything currently but is considering starting off with a TOEFL course and earning a distance degree while abroad. THanks for your input!!


Honestly, Kate with your background international schools would by far be the best option for you. Entry level ESL positions rarely provide the amount of income and benefits necessary to support a family. International schools generally provide a comfortable income, good insurance, free housing, and (usually) free tuition for your children.

While my previous post makes it seem next to impossible for someone with dependents to land a position at an international school it is still possible. There are several single moms and people with dependent spouses at my international school so don't give up. It might take a while and you may not get your country of choice, but if you are flexible you should be able to find work. Very Happy

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Also, most large international schools have guidance counselor positions. There are 3 at my school alone, so I would definitely look into that.
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool thanks-that is what I am gathering as well-thanks for your insight.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trust me single parents with multiple children or dependent spouses have a much more difficult time getting hired. Most good schools provide contractual benefits for dependents such as larger housing arrangements, insurance, and free tuition for children. This stuff costs money and school generally prefer to hire singles with no children or teaching couples with at most two kids.
I know that salaries are often dependent on ... uh.. dependents that you have, but the schools don't provide insurance, and they are under no obligation to offer tuition to a teacher's children.

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In addition, dependent spouses are an issue because the schools will be curious what exactly that person will do. Unemployed spouses can get bored and isolated easily in a foreign country, which could lead them to break their contract and leave.
Trusting you on this one, but I still say this is NONE of the school's business.

Kate,
You should visit the country-specific forums for the other Asian countries, simply because you aren't getting enough replies here. Basically, though, I don't think you're going to be able to teach anything other than English in a university because of the language barrier. I teach in a science uni where the average kid knows more than the usual English, but you don't see many courses here using English to teach science. Those that do have to mix it with Japanese at least half the time.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach a couple of content courses at my university where English is the medium but not the focus of the course. This is not common at all and I still teach other courses where English is the focus of the course.
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your posts. I actually do want to teach English in a University setting-it is in an international school that I would want to counsel so that answers my questions. I guess the opportunity is out there but it depends where and on the circumstances.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In some countries outside of Asia it's certainly possible. I teach at a state university in Mexico, and I have "only" a Bachelors and a TEFL certificate.
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