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Best looking (scenery) locales to teach in?
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btkong



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Best looking (scenery) locales to teach in? Reply with quote

I'm looking for the most "scenic" (or in close proximity to the most scenic places) place to teach in.

I'm talking about wanting to traverse through windswept plains bordered by glacier-touched peaks; wander through forests of vermillion, crimson and gold revelling in the full display of autumn; trampling across effervescent brooks and clear pools; hiking through deep gorges that seem to bridge sky and earth; skirting around untouched lakes encircled by towering mountains... yada yada,you get the idea.

I can live with a reduced paycheck, as long as I�m comfortable. I don�t expect 8k-10k that you might expect in places like Shanghai, but then again, I�d prefer more than 3k RMB.

Oh yea, good food is a big plus!!

It appears a few provinces have these features:

Sichuan and Yunnan (and Tibet?).


Can you guys give some more province/city/town/village do you guys recommend for this sort of thing?

Some places that I was thinking about

Province: Yunnan
Dali (can you even find a job here?)
Lijiang (can you even find a job here?)
Kunming (very hard to find a job here, I hear)
Shangra-li (is this even a town? I don't think you can teach english here though)
Gullin?

Province: Sichuan
Chengdu (is this close to nice scenic landscapes?)

Others?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

btkong

You're either living in dreamland, an over the top romantic or having a laugh. The latter methinks Laughing
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btkong



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit of both Smile

I hear most of China is pretty polluted. But there are some places that are still nice, I hope. People have been telling me Yunnan is pretty spectacular, but I hear there's pretty much no chance of finding a job there.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have covered those places in your original post; Peter Hessler in "River Town" was enamoured of Sichuan, for example.

Yunnan is overrun by westerners looking for employment; Zhongdian/Shangri-La (it actually had a Tibetan name that no one seems to remember...) has no job opportunities, though. Dali does, though not Dali proper but Xiaguan city, captial of the Dali Prefecture. Xiaguan is not an alluring place but it's smallish and not worse than other Chinese towns.

Guizhou might be good for you too - try small townlets such as Kaili (there was a job advert for Kaili a while ago).

Fujian has also some stunning mountains and interesting villages away from the coastal plain!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've ever seen Pagoda Hill just outside of Guilin [its in "The Joy Luck Club], that was the scene from my 6th floor balcony.
Cool.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: Um Reply with quote

Um, Tibet yeah there are jobs there but the have to be able to work at heights.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, I think Dalian is quite nice. I mean I've never lived in a city before, here or in Europe, with nature right on top of me like this. OK I've only lived in Paris or London so perhaps not very good examples, but here I am a few mins from the sea, there is loads of coastline stretching up from Jinshitan, there is the UFO mountain near me which is very nice, and Da Hei Shan mountain. OK it isn't paradise, but to be in a big city and have all that nearby is pretty excellent
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes, living in Yangshuo, near Guilin, is a very realistic possibility. I know that the schools there pay wages pretty much the same as every other standard China TEFL job.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jammish wrote:
Oh yes, living in Yangshuo, near Guilin, is a very realistic possibility. I know that the schools there pay wages pretty much the same as every other standard China TEFL job.


Wrong! The wages paid by Yangshuo-based employers are close to Ground Zero! And most employers laugh you out of their office if you want them to look after your visa/RP needs and pay you airfare!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I can't find any jobs in say Yunnan or Sichaun, is it feasible to work in Shanghai then travel to Yunnan for vacations.

By feasible I mean do you make enough money to afford travelling to these places (I mean, you are still making peanuts after all, when comparing you paycheck to NA standards) and do you have enough time off from working to travel the southwest (Yunnan, etc).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steppenwolf wrote:
jammish wrote:
Oh yes, living in Yangshuo, near Guilin, is a very realistic possibility. I know that the schools there pay wages pretty much the same as every other standard China TEFL job.


Wrong! The wages paid by Yangshuo-based employers are close to Ground Zero! And most employers laugh you out of their office if you want them to look after your visa/RP needs and pay you airfare!


Nope - last time I was there I saw one school looking for people paying 4000 RMB per month. And Buckland pay about 6000 per month, which is actually a little above average.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

btkong, even places like Dali, while nice, don't compare to places like the North of India.

Why don't you consider doing a year in somewhere like Korea to save money, and then spend a year volunteering in somewhere like Manali, India, which truly is like you describe, with glittering snowfields hanging like clouds in the distance, endless apple orchards and pine trees, and the gushing Beas River. A truly beautiful place, and the gateway to loads and loads and loads of great trekking. Volunteering jobs wouldn't pay but would provide food and board...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jammish wrote:
btkong, even places like Dali, while nice, don't compare to places like the North of India.

Why don't you consider doing a year in somewhere like Korea to save money, and then spend a year volunteering in somewhere like Manali, India, which truly is like you describe, with glittering snowfields hanging like clouds in the distance, endless apple orchards and pine trees, and the gushing Beas River. A truly beautiful place, and the gateway to loads and loads and loads of great trekking. Volunteering jobs wouldn't pay but would provide food and board...

nice idea. instead of looking for places with stunning scenery, the OP might consider finding a place where you can actually get out of town quickly, and into some kind of area where there is SOME semblance of peace and quiet, fresh air, and that can be enjoyable. i like to cycle, but where i'm living, even though the city is small, there seem to be few places to go on a bike that fit that description. the scenery doesnt have to be beautiful, but you should be able to find some peace somewhere. most places in china dont come close to this.

further, many of the beautiful places in china are overwhelmed by tourists much of the time. as one of my former students told me, "china has too many people, we need to invoke the death penalty more often." Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely concur. Even in the good places in China, you always feel like you are on a school trip or something...
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