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Jon Taylor



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Japanese average wage - Off topic Reply with quote

I have asked my students about this and I get differing answers.

The popular answer seems to be 6,000,000 Yen per annum which translates to around 450,000 per month with 2 bonuses of around the same amount.

This seems very high and would make our EFL field a very below average salary.
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canuck



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Japanese average wage - Off topic Reply with quote

Jon Taylor wrote:
I have asked my students about this and I get differing answers.

The popular answer seems to be 6,000,000 Yen per annum which translates to around 450,000 per month with 2 bonuses of around the same amount.

This seems very high and would make our EFL field a very below average salary.


I saw a book in the book store about statistics in Japan, and it said the average wage was 385,000 yen a month. I think the statistics were based on 2004. I do not know if that figure included the bonus payments in addition to their salary.
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Japanese average wage - Off topic Reply with quote

Less than thirty seconds on google would have got you an answer:
http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/c12cont.htm

Table 12.5. Are there really people out there that are surprised that salaries for English teachers are low?! IMO, the _average_ teacher in Japan doesn't deserve much/any more.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Average wage for what profession, gender, educational level, amount of experience, and age group? Answers will vary.
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Jon Taylor



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Average wage for what profession, gender, educational level, amount of experience, and age group? Answers will vary.



Of course the wages will differ Shocked

The National average wage you dummy
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Quibby84



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work at a very large company and they work about 12 hours a day and start out making about the same as me every year. (but I work SOOOO much less). I think that even $60,000 is not enough for 60 hour work weeks. It seems to me that people with master degrees (like the people I work with) would make alot more in America. My husband graduated from college with just a basic degree and got a starting job paying $30,000 (in louisiana!), his job would have paid more as the years went on, he could have gotten really high even with just his bacholers degree (and he never worked over 40 hours a week). So I think japan is underpaid....
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shuize



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese average wage - Off topic Reply with quote

G Cthulhu wrote:
IMO, the _average_ teacher in Japan doesn't deserve much/any more.

I tend to agree.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quibby84 wrote:
It seems to me that people with master degrees (like the people I work with) would make alot more in America. My husband graduated from college with just a basic degree and got a starting job paying $30,000 (in louisiana!), his job would have paid more as the years went on, he could have gotten really high even with just his bacholers degree (and he never worked over 40 hours a week). So I think japan is underpaid....


That's the States. Most people with just a basic degree in Ontario are slinging coffee at starbucks for less than CDN$30K a year (so a LOT less than that in US$) and can't afford to live in an apartment of their own. Tonnes of Americans who visit Canada thinking of it as America-light are surprised when they see the careers and want ads sections of newspapers because of how much lower the salaries are (after conversion into US$) when the cost of living is about the same after converting dollar amounts (the labelled price in Canada is a lot higher, but the dollar itself isn't worth as much). But then, they aren't used to paying 15% more than the ticketed price on almost every item they buy- which is what we do in Ontario as well.

Other than (public) school teachers and people in the BoE, people in Japan who find out how much ALTs make are surprised that people would bother coming here at all. They also seem to think that because you get raises just for sitting there and getting older in Japan, then that happens in the rest of the world, too.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon,
Cthulhu has given you a good web page to start looking. I say start, because statistics in Japan are very neatly juggled.

Look here and see what it says for the December 2006 average total earnings. http://www.mhlw.go.jp/english/database/db-l/index.html
613,774 yen/month

Compare to what you see on Cthulhu's government page for 2005:
335,000 yen/month

I doubt that people's income had double on average in a single year. Something is juggled here.
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Jon Taylor



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Glenski,

That link is really useful......appreciate that.
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c-way



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had to guess Glenski, I would think that they might have factored in the bonuses that many employees receive in December. But I don't have any statistics to back that up.

In terms of my salary, if I were to work as much as the average hours, I would be doing far better than the average salary. As it is, I still make more than the average working 126 hours per month, a full 24 hours less than the average Japanese employee.

However, I am able to make this much not by working for my dispatch or for an eikawa, but through private lessons.

Private lessons also provide more flexibility in scheduling, more autonomy in choosing lesson plans and pace, more ability to connect one to one with students and more opportunity to develop relationships outside the classroom (coffeshop).

I'm sure some people have their qualms about the coffee shop private lesson, I know I do. But in terms of salary and job satisfaction, private lessons blow the competition out of the water.( save perhaps university level jobs, I've heard those too are particularly cushy.)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-way wrote:
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If I had to guess Glenski, I would think that they might have factored in the bonuses that many employees receive in December. But I don't have any statistics to back that up.
From what I read on both sites, they included everything in their totals, hence my confusion. How can totals of the same sorts of figures produce such different results?
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but c-way when i used to do privates it always seem to average out that for every hour you work you spend another hour preparing, travelling, getting messed about etc.

Something to factor in.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="GambateBingBangBOOM"]
Quibby84 wrote:
That's the States. Most people with just a basic degree in Ontario are slinging coffee at starbucks for less than CDN$30K a year (so a LOT less than that in US$) and can't afford to live in an apartment of their own.


Actually, it's like that in the US too. So many people have BA degrees, there are only so many decent jobs...we may have the advantage if you're willing to move anywhere in the US. You may get an awesome job across the country, but not be able to find crap in your home town. I couldn't find anything with my degree and lack of connections. I'm in Japan now making slightly more than I was in the US, but still shit. I look at it as being able to finance a long term vacation. I'm looking for better paying jobs in case I decide to stay longer though. I'm a bit tired of living like a college freshman.
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Peter_Chestnut



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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we may have the advantage if you're willing to move anywhere in the US. You may get an awesome job across the country, but not be able to find crap in your home town.


That's very true in Canada also. The issue is that yes this people have degrees, but they are not willing to be flexible about moving to where the work is and the higher paid jobs are. I come from a small town in the Provinces of New Brunswick. And at least 95 % of people, who grew up there, will go to University and get a degree, but they are so stubborn and not willing to move to find better job opportunities, they come back to the small town or end up staying in N.B. And they stuck in a call center job, or some other goes no where job. I find it a shame I mean if you�re willing to put in so much work in getting the degree, then why not but in the extra step in moving and traveling to find the better jobs. But I know for a lot of people, just moving away from there home state, or Provinces is very hard, and not everyone can handle change well.
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