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hewlettpac
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 Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: Good advice on where to settle in China. |
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Me and my Chinese wife will leave Harbin to find work in the following cities. Which city do you people recommend as a good base to set up? I don�t have a degree as such but a TESOL certificate and some collage. The city�s we want to live in are Dalian, Qingdao, Yantai or Weihan. We will leave Harbin at the end of April.
Any suggestions or advice would be great.
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tw
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Good advice on where to settle in China. |
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| hewlettpac wrote: |
| I don�t have a degree as such but a TESOL certificate and some collage. The city�s we want to live in are Dalian, Qingdao, Yantai or Weihan. |
Cross out Dalian because a degree is an absolute requirement in Liaoning. |
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ChinaAndrew
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: where to go? |
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I have a friend who worked in Dailian for a year without a degree.
No such thing as an absolute requirement
It's not what you know It's who you know.
Are you planning on buying a house? you should consider the property value wherever you go, it varies a lot. |
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tw
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: Re: where to go? |
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| ChinaAndrew wrote: |
I have a friend who worked in Dailian for a year without a degree.
No such thing as an absolute requirement
It's not what you know It's who you know. |
When? As of 2005 Liaoning has been enforcing the degree requirement. |
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ChinaAndrew
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: degree |
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2006.
You've been here long enough to know there are no absolutes in china. |
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Joe's Garage
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Good advice on where to settle in China. |
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| hewlettpac wrote: |
Me and my Chinese wife will leave Harbin to find work in the following cities. Which city do you people recommend as a good base to set up? I don�t have a degree as such but a TESOL certificate and some collage. The city�s we want to live in are Dalian, Qingdao, Yantai or Weihan. We will leave Harbin at the end of April.
Any suggestions or advice would be great. |
You don't have a degree? Yeah, it shows. What do you mean by "as such"? And what does abstract art ("collage") have to do with anything? Why have you written "city's"? It should be 'cities'.
Go and get a degree. There's too many people like you out there giving us all a bad name. Students in China deserve better.
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ChinaAndrew
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: best place to set up in china |
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'as such' means not exactly. And what's an 'apostophe'  do you mean 'apostrophe'?
If you want to insult someones spelling or grammatical errors, or maybe lack of college education. Get it right.
This is just someone asking some advice, not a job interview.  |
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Joe's Garage
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| 'Someones'? I think you mean 'someone's'. |
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ChinaAndrew
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: apostophe |
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| You started it. Maybe I need to go back to college to study 'apostophe' |
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hewlettpac
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| Ok, which cities don't you need a degree? |
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tw
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: Re: degree |
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| ChinaAndrew wrote: |
| You've been here long enough to know there are no absolutes in china. |
And I've been here long enough to know not to take any chances. |
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cj750
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| Joe...wouldn't they also need teachers who are trained to be teachers and hold a proper teaching certificate .. it would seem to me that a near BA is not enough to insure the FT has the proper training or credentials to garner the respect that a licenced teacher would..so what would it matter ..as both the BA'd and the non-BA'd teacher are equally unqualified for this task ... after all it is a class room setting .. and usually to earn the respect of fellow teachers and students alike..the teacher would have to be a "real" teacher ... |
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jammish
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Good advice on where to settle in China. |
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| hewlettpac wrote: |
| I don�t have a degree as such but a TESOL certificate and some collage. |
What, precisely, do you have a collage of? Aeroplanes? Tanks? Old holiday photos? Previous girlfriends? Film stars? |
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jammish
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| cj750 wrote: |
| Joe...wouldn't they also need teachers who are trained to be teachers and hold a proper teaching certificate .. it would seem to me that a near BA is not enough to insure the FT has the proper training or credentials to garner the respect that a licenced teacher would..so what would it matter ..as both the BA'd and the non-BA'd teacher are equally unqualified for this task ... after all it is a class room setting .. and usually to earn the respect of fellow teachers and students alike..the teacher would have to be a "real" teacher ... |
But why would a fully qualified teacher go anywhere near a job for 3000-5000 RMB a month, with scant resources, dreadful organisation, etc, when they can get 5-6 times the salary at an international school? Even Japan and Korea, which pay considerably more money, don't require the teacher to be fully qualified, so it's hard to see the bog-standard jobs in China ever requiring that.
In my view, if someone can complete a BA from a reasonable institution, that demonstrates that they must have a passable grounding in the English language, be able to spell properly, etc.
(Mind you, I didn't have a problem with the 'as such' section of the first post. This may be a US v UK thing...) |
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Joe's Garage
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The OP is obviously just another TEFL turd who is trying to cash in on the fact that he happens to have been born in an English-speaking country.
As such, the students in China deserve better. |
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