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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:48 am    Post subject: Writing classes Reply with quote

Compared to my conversation classes I am not happy with my writing classes. This is my second year at them and I really do want to raise their quality.
My students are Japanese university students. I get them talking, laughing, volunteering in conversation classes(rare in Japan, but they are a great bunch) but my writing classes definitely lack any fizz.

Does anybody have a suggestion for a good textbook (I inherited Littlejohn's "Writing 2 and 3" CUP), a book on how to teach writing, a web site with ideas for classes or even some good ideas themselves?

I am desperate to make this a fun class as much as possible and I know the students would respond.

Are there indeed any fun games/activities out there?

Pre-int, Int level
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am using Weaving it together, by Thomson. They have 3 levels, it is a reading/writing coursebook and there is also a supplementary video by CNN. It is interesting for students and more importantly for the teacher Smile . Probably too late to change the book for you though, should have asked this a few months ago.
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surrealia



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some links to activities you might want to try:


http://www.hltmag.co.uk/mar01/teach.htm

http://www.onestopenglish.com/section.asp?catid=59605&docid=146552

http://www.onestopenglish.com/section.asp?catid=59452&docid=146617

http://www.onestopenglish.com/section.asp?catid=59444&docid=146517
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"writing class" is about as general as saying you want to "teach English".

What sort of writing? There are tons of books (mostly bad ones that I've seen, anyway) out there for various purposes.

And, who are these Japanese students? History majors? Chemistry majors? Economics majors? First year, fourth year, grad students?
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surrealia



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also remember that reading and writing are closely related. I would give them some reading practice from time to time.
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John Hall



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have been someone who excels at teaching speaking and listening, switching to teaching writing can sometimes feel like hitting a wall. How can you put any pizzazz into it? Suddenly, the classroom is so deathly quiet, and students are falling asleep!

Speaking and listening classes are centered around the people in the classroom, but writing classes are centered around the texts that the students are writing. If the students have the opportunity to write about something interesting about themselves, then things are not so dull. But a lot of writing tasks can be quite dull, especially if you have to teach business writing. I agree with another poster here that it would help us if the OP could tell us just exactly what type of writing he or she has to teach.
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

double post, sorry.

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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidjameson wrote:
Thanks for the posts. The links did give me a few ideas.

I have one class teaching 2nd year university students and one class 3rd year. The students are English majors and many of them will go on to be English teachers. I really do have leeway to teach whatever I like.
At the moment we go through the books and cover all the usual stuff; descriptive paragraphs about a photo, questionairs, advertising copy etc.

Basically at the beginning of class we go over half dozen of last weeks mistakes. I hand back last week's work. Students have time to go over it with their friend and discuss their mistakes. We open the text and do a couple of the "warm up type of exercises"- notes, brainstorming, that kind of thing. I break up the class by trying to get a relevant 2 minute conversation into the mix. The students then go onto the main exercise of the day. They write it till the end of class and usually give it in. I mark it and give it back the next week. This seems to be the way the lesson goes every week which in itself is not usual for me.

I feel it's an "ok-ish" class, but often feel two things.

The first is exactly how John Hall described the teacher who is good at speaking classes. When I finish a speaking class and say goodbye I nearly always have 20 smiling students saying a cherry goodbye back. Whereas in my writing classes it's more like 3 or 4 semi depressed grunts. Sad

And I often get a feeling that I haven't actually earnt my money. A kind of "what did I teach them?" kind of feeling.

What made me ask at this time was that last week I walked into the writing class to find students who had taken my communication have taken my writing classes only because I was the teacher. They're expecting Premier League action and I fear they're only going to get J-league division 2. Smile

Sorry for the ramble. Embarassed
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My question for you would be what are you looking for in good writing? Is this an "Academic Writing" course where the students are learning/reviewing how to write an academic paper? Or is an English course where you're primarily concerned with mistakes relating to spelling, grammar and readability?

If I were in your shoes I would probably stick a blank rubric on the OHP one day and have the students work with me to fill it in, creating a rubric for writing good [essays, letters, emails, etc.]. I often use http://rubistar.4teachers.org/index.php?screen=NewRubric&module=Rubistar&PHPSESSID=65aa7839d15c4478516b197c8a444e9e for rubric ideas and then modify it to suit my needs. Once you've created this "official" rubric you can then have the students peer-edit one another's writing individually before sharing their editing with a classmate.

I also like to give my students the three-point essay format (intro, three body paragraphs, conclusion) and a thesis statement, then have them brainstorm the three points they would use to support their argument. Once you've got the three points students can work together to put their points in a logical order then write the essay for homework. You can provide a sample of a poorly-written essay (obviously created by yourself, not one of the students) on the OHP and discuss improvements as a class.

I think you should try to get more writing done outside of class, and use your class time for activities that actually benefit from the group setting.
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John Hall



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetgirly wrote:
I think you should try to get more writing done outside of class, and use your class time for activities that actually benefit from the group setting.


Gotta agree with that. I presently teach 4 skills courses in English. We use Blackboard, a Web-based program, for most of the homework and writing exercises. That means that little writing is done during class; most writing and revision of writing is done outside of class time.

I know what you mean about the what-did-I-teach feeling. But the real question is this: what did my students learn? There's a tendancy in Japan for students to be a bit passive. This often makes the teacher something of a star, if the teacher is one of those who can generate popularity among students; which leads to classes being a bit teacher-centered. Nothing wrong with that, because it fits the learning style that the students are accustomed to.

However, writing classes can't really be that way. Your approach is very student-centered, with students learning more from their own mistakes than they are learning from you. That is probably just how you should be teaching the course. Just don't feel bad about it! It is not what you teach that counts; it is what your students learn. You are not the sage on stage; you are the guide on the side. You also set the conditions for learning to happen, and your students do the learning. You become a supervisor or coach, who oversees what the students are writing; and less of an orator or entertainer.
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globalnomad2



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right. Although, as in my transition ("bridge") writing class, which emphasizes the research paper, if there is little writing done in class, that means the teacher is doing a lot of talking about writing and the students are doing a lot of short tasks such as sentence-combining, presentations on different facets of term-paper research and preparation, etc.
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guangho



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Hall wrote:
Jetgirly wrote:
I think you should try to get more writing done outside of class, and use your class time for activities that actually benefit from the group setting.


Gotta agree with that. I presently teach 4 skills courses in English. We use Blackboard, a Web-based program, for most of the homework and writing exercises. That means that little writing is done during class; most writing and revision of writing is done outside of class time.

I know what you mean about the what-did-I-teach feeling. But the real question is this: what did my students learn? There's a tendancy in Japan for students to be a bit passive. This often makes the teacher something of a star, if the teacher is one of those who can generate popularity among students; which leads to classes being a bit teacher-centered. Nothing wrong with that, because it fits the learning style that the students are accustomed to.

However, writing classes can't really be that way. Your approach is very student-centered, with students learning more from their own mistakes than they are learning from you. That is probably just how you should be teaching the course. Just don't feel bad about it! It is not what you teach that counts; it is what your students learn. You are not the sage on stage; you are the guide on the side. You also set the conditions for learning to happen, and your students do the learning. You become a supervisor or coach, who oversees what the students are writing; and less of an orator or entertainer.


I feel the same way but there are two obstacles to this view- the first is a lack of critical thinking skills. Where I am, at least, nothing will get done unless I stand on their heads- and these are Uni students. Second and more important, the curriculum is lacking- the classes are 65 minutes long and are repeated 4 days a week for a 10 week term- all out of a curriculum that consists of a binder (not really a textbook) that's about 86 pages long. They supplement it with handouts but there is no escaping for me the feeling that we are tasked with making next to nothing seem like quite a lot. Question- how do we make this relevant and student-centered for those students who do not see writing teaching (where the teacher is less involved) as real teaching?
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John Hall



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guangho wrote:
John Hall wrote:
Your approach is very student-centered, with students learning more from their own mistakes than they are learning from you. That is probably just how you should be teaching the course. Just don't feel bad about it! It is not what you teach that counts; it is what your students learn. You are not the sage on stage; you are the guide on the side. You also set the conditions for learning to happen, and your students do the learning. You become a supervisor or coach, who oversees what the students are writing; and less of an orator or entertainer.


I feel the same way but there are two obstacles to this view- the first is a lack of critical thinking skills. Where I am, at least, nothing will get done unless I stand on their heads- and these are Uni students. Second and more important, the curriculum is lacking- the classes are 65 minutes long and are repeated 4 days a week for a 10 week term- all out of a curriculum that consists of a binder (not really a textbook) that's about 86 pages long. They supplement it with handouts but there is no escaping for me the feeling that we are tasked with making next to nothing seem like quite a lot. Question- how do we make this relevant and student-centered for those students who do not see writing teaching (where the teacher is less involved) as real teaching?


Definitely a problem. Do you have any control over the course evaluation scheme? If so, can you put the bulk of the points on the writing assignments themselves? If most of the mark is based on the students' own assignments, perhaps that will motivate them more?
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