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whatthefunk



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:13 am    Post subject: Getting a change of status in country Reply with quote

Hi all,
I came to Japan about 7 years ago on a tourist visa, found a job, and changed my status without too much trouble. The whole thing took about a month. Is it still that easy? I entered Japan yesterday on another tourist visa and it seems much more strict these days. Immigration had a LOT of questions to ask me. Is my lying to immigration about the purpose of my visit going to have an effect on anything?

Also, I didn't pay my last phone bill in Japan. Will this effect anything? Is there anything that can be done about it...like paying it and being very very sorry for being such an irresponsible twit?

Thanks
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Great Teacher Umikun



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don�t think immigration keeps track of your bills. I think their main concern is that you�re not a terrorist and that you don�t overstay your welcome. What sort of questions did they ask you, may I ask? Did you come in on a one-way ticket without an outbound ticket?
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whatthefunk



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an outgoing ticket back to Korea. I told them that I was traveling around Japan for 2 months to make sure that I got the full 3 month visa. They asked me where I was going (I told them all the typical places), how much money I had on me, whether or not I had a credit card, whether I could speak Japanese or not (my last Japan adventure was on my old passport but she must have seen the record of that on the computer), whether I had a job in Korea (I took the boat over from Busan), she asked where my visa was for Korea, etc... Freaked me out. I wonder if I'm on some sort of a list somewhere....
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Great Teacher Umikun



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatthefunk wrote:
I wonder if I'm on some sort of a list somewhere....


I guess I�m not the only worrywart here!

Anyway, a question for anyone here: Would �I�m here to look for work� be a terribly boneheaded thing to say to the immigration officer at Narita even if it is the truth? I was advised by my first employer in Japan to say that I was a tourist the first time I showed up back in 2004.
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the4th2001



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: Getting a change of status in country Reply with quote

whatthefunk wrote:
Hi all,
I came to Japan about 7 years ago on a tourist visa, found a job, and changed my status without too much trouble. The whole thing took about a month. Is it still that easy? I entered Japan yesterday on another tourist visa and it seems much more strict these days. Immigration had a LOT of questions to ask me. Is my lying to immigration about the purpose of my visit going to have an effect on anything?

Also, I didn't pay my last phone bill in Japan. Will this effect anything? Is there anything that can be done about it...like paying it and being very very sorry for being such an irresponsible twit?

Thanks


Lying shouldn't be that big of a problem.

About the phone bill, I know that Softbank shares information with other companies and I would assume AU/Docomo do the same. It shouldn't be a problem as long as you pay up though.

I have friends (Korean) who left the country without paying their bills (AU and Softbank) and were able to get new phones after paying back everything plus extra charges. My friends who went through Softbank were told they had to wait 3 months before being able to re-sign, but they bypassed that by visiting Shinokubo (Korean Town) branches. Koreans help Koreans out I guess.

At any rate though, you can easily pick up a prepaid phone if re-signing becomes troublesome.


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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was either something that tipped off their suspicions about you, or you just got unlucky enough to be in on a quota of questions asked every Nth person.

Phone bills won't keep you out of the country or stop a visa from being issued. (It's still a poor thing to do to a country that you leave. I won't ask why you did it.)

Great Teacher Umikun wrote:
Would �I�m here to look for work� be a terribly boneheaded thing to say to the immigration officer at Narita even if it is the truth?
Yes. Just say you are here sightseeing. Essentially, you are, so it's not a lie. To say you are here job hunting risks you being put back on the plane at your own expense.
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Apsara



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: Getting a change of status in country Reply with quote

whatthefunk wrote:

Also, I didn't pay my last phone bill in Japan. Will this effect anything? Is there anything that can be done about it...like paying it and being very very sorry for being such an irresponsible twit?

Thanks


As someone above said, Immigration doesn't care about your phone bills, but it seems that the phone companies have shared blacklists which you may find yourself on- if you are though you will most likely just need to pay the bill and possibly a fine and you should still be able to get a phone.
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whatthefunk



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much less worried now. Thanks guys.
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Great Teacher Umikun



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
There was either something that tipped off their suspicions about you, or you just got unlucky enough to be in on a quota of questions asked every Nth person.


I have a question about that, Glenski, though it�s probably a stupid question. What�s the best way to not look suspicious? I�m planning on flying out in business attire, suit and tie, and being as clean shaven as possible. Will that look more or less suspicious if I tell them I�m going in for sightseeing?
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wayne432



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For someone going sightseeing? That's a bit suspicious.
Just go casual style and bring your suit in your bag.

I don't think anyone likes to fly in suits if they don't have to.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who wears a suit and tie when they are going somewhere for sightseeing? Wear tidy casual clothes and keep your suit right at the bottom of the suitcase where they are less likely to find it if they decide to have a look at your luggage. If they do see it say you'll be attending a wedding.

If you do wear a suit and tie be prepared to be asked what kind of business you are coming to Japan on.
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Great Teacher Umikun



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
Who wears a suit and tie when they are going somewhere for sightseeing? Wear tidy casual clothes and keep your suit right at the bottom of the suitcase where they are less likely to find it if they decide to have a look at your luggage. If they do see it say you'll be attending a wedding.

If you do wear a suit and tie be prepared to be asked what kind of business you are coming to Japan on.


Got it! Suit goes in checked baggage. Jeans and striped shirt on the flight it shall be, but I still don�t want to look like a slob.

By the way, does anyone know the rate of entering tourists getting refused a landing permit percentage wise? Is it something like 1% or less?

EDIT:

I just checked some hard numbers from the Immigration website. In 2009, 9,930 people were refused landing permission. (If that happens to you, you have two appeal stages.) That same year, 4,069,993 people entered Japan on a tourist status for �sightseeing.� That makes the 2009 refusal rate for sightseers: 9930 / 4069993 * 100 = 0.2%. It couldn�t be much far from that this year.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect that most of the people who get refused a tourist permit would have stayed in Japan close to 90 days, done a quick run to Korea or similar, and then tried to come back into Japan again. You shouldn't have any problems.
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