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[Patcol]

Hi.
My name is Patrick, im from England.
Next year im participating in a exchange student program and i will be attending a type of public or Chinese boarding school in Beijing.

This exchange program is already payed for and i will be there a year.

But here comes my problem:
I want to stay, and i need to work part time to make the ends meet.
So after the first year is over and my study Visa expires, i will have to get a Z visa if i am to study AND work part time at the same time?

Also, ive heard they do not usually let foreigners in to these schools, but in some they do and they have to pay a higher tuition. How much do you think the tuition will be on a normal Chinese boarding High School?

But back to the real topic. What do you think i should do to get another Visa for my second year in China(i will be just about 1yr after the Olympics), which visa should i apply for and do you have any smart advice?

Cheers mates, thanks for any help=)

[arioch36]

Z visa is simply the best, hands down

Z-visa is almost always for a full time position

technically you can't legally work on a student visa. the reality is that many do. however it is not 100% risk fee. There are students nabbed for teaching part time. More and more schools are being visited by the PSB (public security bureau). that's not to scare you. it is very unlikely that you would be caught for teaching while on a student visa. very unlikely.

If you are studying the first year, I would suggest work full time at a nice uni job your 2nd year, 14 hours a week, and you will have plenty of time to continue your studies. this would be on a z-visa

[Anda]

Are you a high school student or a university student? What degree etc will you have after a year here in China? For advice we need to know these things.

You could be limited to paid volunteer work if you do not have a university degree. Some places also want two years of work experience to issue a Z visa.

[Patcol]

[lf_aristotle69]

Hi Patrick,

I'm not sure I'm buying what you're saying... but...

Hello? As you will be coming to China to study you will only be able to get a student visa. After your first one expires you will have to get another one, if you are going to continue studying. Won't your parents be involved? I also doubt you can graduate from a Chinese school with an English/British High School Diploma (?)... so, when exactly are you planning to go back...

Which High School exchange program are you coming over to China on? Don't your fees to them pretty much cover everything? What did they tell you about working?

Quite a few mistakes in your English. What qualifies you to be a teacher? Have you at least taken an ESL teaching course?

Good luck...

LFA

[Patcol]

[arioch36]

hi,

Maybe I didn't read closely enough.

I would forget about any legit working job as far as teaching. I really think you might want to do a year of legit volunteer work.

Legit, volunteer work... as opposed to some who come teach at a university as a low paid volunteer, at a university that could easily pay a foreign teacher a decent wage, but sees a student like you as an easy mark.
There are legitimate volunteer jobs to look into. I think many such jobs would really bring you face to face with "real chinese people" and a definte learning experience. You would be doing something good for people, learning about the real Chinese culture.
there will be plenty of time to find such a volunteer job

My two cents

[Patcol]

[Anda]

Have a read:

1 - 10 of about 239,000 for Paid volunteer work English teaching China


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[Anda]

1 - 10 of about 201,000 for high school study foreigners China.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&q=high+school+study+foreigners+China&btnG=Search
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Introduction to Luhe High School


http://www.luhe.net/en/model.asp?id=5

V. Fees
1, Tuition fee: 1900 dollars per term

2, Incidental fees: 400 dollars per term

3, Accommodation fee: 700 dollars per term

4, Clothes fee: 100 dollars per term

5, Application fee: 50 dollars

[7969]

[Patcol]

[arioch36]

Volunteer work is a real job. Some part time volunteer work is unpaid. Any meaningful long term volunteer work should be paid. Volunteer has more meaning then just doing it for free (ie, The US Military is an all volunteer army).

In Charity work, it has long been recognized that traditional volunteering, unpaid, was not effective, because the time spent traing often equallyed the total time spent volunteering.

So paid volunteer is part of the nomenclature for charity work. Someone comes to work for six months is much more valuable then six people who come for one month.

For the states at least, there is a visa category for this.

As a teacher in China, I find it troubling when a person comes to "vounteer" accepting a low wage/stipend (Technically we want to call it a stipend ) to do a teaching job that should be a normal teaching job.

But I am starting a charity school for disabled. And there are many such projects in China. If someone was willing to come help, it might not be a full pay job, but a stipend to take care of living expenses, and a little pizza money.

Without ever having researched it, I would say 99.73% of the advertisements for "Paid volunteer teaching" are scam to get stupid laowai to come to China at low cost, and treated pathetically, at a school that if such a laowai doesn't show up, they will quickly offer another laowai normal salary

there is real volunteer work to be done

[Patcol]

Thanks for the reply arioch36
I was just wondering, why do you guys suggest volunteer work, is it allowed to do this kind of work on a X Visa or is it just that these jobs are easy to get?

[Anda]

Well your written English is terrible and you don't have a Uni degree nor do you have teaching experience. So let�s just say that you are limited to working where none of these things are required.

A Chinese boss can hire a local Chinese college / university graduates that has better writing skills than you have plus has teaching experience for under $3 US an hour as a casual at a language institute. Permanent the local teacher will get about $130 US a month at a language institute. The local person has to find there own accommodation and doesn't get paid for holidays or anything extra.

Now why should someone pay a high school student with poor English skills $500 plus a month and provide accommodation and pay for holidays and air travel etc.

My advice would be to study very hard and improve your English and learn what is required to be an English teacher before landing in China. You could easily find that you are faced with a class of complaining students and no job if you write bad grammar on a blackboard where you are employed here. On lower wages here you can easily get yourself into difficulties if you loose a job.