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muji

Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: 10 questions on Kyoto, women, jobs, all the usual. |
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Hi Guys
Nice community you've got here - you've all been very informative for me as a lurker, so thanks for that.
OK my plan is to go to live in Kyoto to teach english from this summer. I've got a friend there who can sponsor me for a working Visa, so I'm kind of planning on turning up with that and finding a job on the ground. Good or bad idea? I'm getting a CELTA through June, and I've got a 3 year degree behind me, plus about 7 weeks voluntary teaching experience in Peru. Im 22.
OK, so some questions:
I've got a very rosy picture in my head of turning up, quickly and easily getting an eikaiwa job, then finding a loving girlfriend, making great friends with some Japanese people, travelling a bit and generally living the high life for a couple of years... so, please - how likely is this to manifest? Am I creating a fantasy that is very far from the probable truth?
1) If I land in Kyoto, how long am I likely to spend before I have work?
2) Is it easy to get eikaiwa or ALT work in Kyoto (with my credentials)?
3) How easy is it as a gaijin to make friends with Japanese locals in Kyoto?
4) Women and girlfriends - is it easy to get a good girlfriend in Japan - are they shy with foreigners? Does the cultural supremacy I've heard about have any influence here?
5) Are there many "gold digger" women who target foreigners?
6) As a white person, will I naturally attract troublesome women?
7) In getting an eikaiwa job, would I be better off in a big company like Nova, or a small unknown place - and do they even exist?
8) If I got a job with Nova organised from England, once I'm there would it be bad/wrong/unacceptable to give them a months notice and immediately find a better job?
9) Is socialising and dating your eikaiwa students as heinous as it would be with high-school students?
10) Is there much of an ex-pat community in Kyoto?
Sorry if any of these seem like odd questions, but from my previous experiences of living abroad, I think they'll be extremely useful to know.
Thankyou very much for your help
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southofreality
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Posts: 579 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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If you've been a lurker here for awhile, you should already know how your post is going to be received.
Enjoy the responses. |
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muji

Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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I've actually been a very short term lurker, but any help and specific information comes much appreciated |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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I've got a friend there who can sponsor me for a working Visa, so I'm kind of planning on turning up with that and finding a job on the ground. |
A little more info on this, if you please. How can your friend sponsor you? He would have to provide immigration with details of his business and a contract for you.
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I've got a very rosy picture in my head of turning up, quickly and easily getting an eikaiwa job, then finding a loving girlfriend, making great friends with some Japanese people, travelling a bit and generally living the high life for a couple of years... so, please - how likely is this to manifest? |
"Very rosy" pictures are nice. I hope things work out for you. It might. It might not. Let's see about your specific questions.
1) If I land in Kyoto, how long am I likely to spend before I have work?
Kyoto doesn't have that big a population of foreigners, and from what people who live there have told me, finding work there as a teacher isn't as easy as it seems. Plan on 2-3 months before you start collecting your first paycheck. In other words, be able to support yourself that long.
2) Is it easy to get eikaiwa or ALT work in Kyoto (with my credentials)?
See above. Your credentials are only slightly better than the average person's who is starting out here.
3) How easy is it as a gaijin to make friends with Japanese locals in Kyoto?
As easy or as hard as you make it. Go to gaijin bars, and you'll probably find desperate Japanese women who are hunting for foreign men. Not exactly prime material for girlfriends unless you are into that sort of type. Do you speak any Japanese? That'll help make friends of all types. I would think your first priority should be to land work.
4) Women and girlfriends - is it easy to get a good girlfriend in Japan - are they shy with foreigners? Does the cultural supremacy I've heard about have any influence here?
The answer varies considerably with the woman. Nobody can give you a more exacting answer than that. Some are shy, scared, curious, infatuated, etc. Some just want a trophy to show their friends. Others are serious.
5) Are there many "gold digger" women who target foreigners?
Yes.
6) As a white person, will I naturally attract troublesome women?
You seem to be fixated on women. I'm through answering this type of question, as #3 is the best answer you'll get.
7) In getting an eikaiwa job, would I be better off in a big company like Nova, or a small unknown place - and do they even exist?
Have you really been lurking? "Better off" is anyone's opinion, and yes, there are small places around. Some of the big companies don't even interview inside Japan, and you should check out the ones that do because they will interview only in their main offices (and I don't think they are in Kyoto).
If I got a job with Nova organised from England, once I'm there would it be bad/wrong/unacceptable to give them a months notice and immediately find a better job?
"Unacceptable"? Well, what do you think? It's pretty unprofessional, don't you think? Would you do such a thing back home? On the other hand, they are used to such low tactics from foreigners, and in my opinion it is one reason why the industry standards are the way they are. Why perpetuate an image of foreigners as such? Nobody will chase you down, though, if you do such a thing, but you'd better have a job in hand when you give notice. I would think that coming here and starting a new career in a foreign land would be hard enough (or interesting enough) to take a lot of your time to adjust, and that you wouldn't have that much time to make contacts or find a new job in such a short time. But, that's just me.
9) Is socialising and dating your eikaiwa students as heinous as it would be with high-school students?
Again the fixation with women! Are you only interested in coming here to hook up? Dating high school students would be dating minors. Eikaiwa students may be HS students or kindergarten students or senior citizens or anyone in between. Personally, I frown on people who date students, and whether the school prohibits it or not, think of the consequences if a relationship goes bad. Some girlfriends have been known to make trouble for the teacher.
10) Is there much of an ex-pat community in Kyoto?
As I wrote above, yes, but not a tremendously large one. I've never lived there, so this comes from people I know who have lived there. Maybe others can add to this. |
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Zzonkmiles

Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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I've had about enough of these types of threads. |
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japanman
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 281 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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I've lived in Kyoto for the last few years and I can't answer your questions because me all my mates have had such different experiences that you can generalise. a person's situation is often a direct reflection of who you are. If you are a fool, you will attract foolish friends and foolish women. That is just one of the obvious logical truths of the world no matter where you are.
One aspect though that I can answer. Finding a job in Kyoto is difficult. Many people have to commute to Osaka, which isn't too bad. I commuted to north Osaka for a year and it was fine. |
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muji

Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Thankyou very much Glenski and Japanman. That's extremely helpful.
Just so you know, I don't have a women-fixation. It's just that I haven't seen these specific questions answered before, and finding a long-term relationship in Japan is definately going to be a key issue in my enjoyment and integration with the place and the language. I've had enough women-problems from living in different countries due to my lack of understanding of the culture, and I wanted to learn about this aspect of Japanese culture before I get there. I wasn't aware that some women want a trophy gaijin boyfriend, so thanks for that - it's not what I want to be.
As for visa sponsorship:
http://www.uk.emb-japan.go.jp/en/visa/visa-certif.html
I have a British friend with Japanese residency who owns a business in Japan. Any ideas if he'd be allowed to provide a certificate of eligibility without the intention of employing me?
In regards to question 9 - what about socialising? If you want to go have some beers with your eikaiwa students, is this frowned upon throughout Japan? Or is this just a few of the big eikaiwa have a no socialising rule?
Thanks again - I appreciate your comments.
Japanman - how long is the commute? Are the buses/trains unbearably full? Or is it reasonably comfortable? |
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japanman
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 281 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I think that it's best to keep students as students and friends as friends. I worked for a small school for a while and we used to drink with some students sometimes, me, the boss and the students. We lost a couple of students because they saw us more clearly. Not that we are are a couple of w**nkers, just that the shine came off when we were drinking. Told them a few truths about England and California and the students were gone. If you socialise with students they exoect to be socialising with the same person that they meet in class every day. Let the mask drop and it's trouble.
Depends what line you take to Osaka, there are three lines and vary in crowdedness. Busy trains don7t bother me as long as the person next to me has decent physical and oral hygiene. |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Zzonkmiles posted
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I've had about enough of these types of threads. |
Now where have I read that before? Oh, yeah, it was in another forum where I rarely go anymore. |
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japanman
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 281 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: |
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On the whole though, you should try and have a laugh in Kyoto. Beers by the river in the summer are superb. there are very few places in Japan where you can get such an attractive place for a drink in the city centre. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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The gold digger question #5 made me laugh. You're an English teacher, or wannabe English teacher. You may be the poorest person she has met.  |
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jademonkey
Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 180
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Gordon wrote: |
The gold digger question #5 made me laugh. You're an English teacher, or wannabe English teacher. You may be the poorest person she has met.  |
Cruel. Hilarious, but cruel. |
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muji

Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Gordon wrote: |
The gold digger question #5 made me laugh. You're an English teacher, or wannabe English teacher. You may be the poorest person she has met.  |
In my experience, it's all about perception. If whitey english teachers are perceived to be loaded, they'll attract that sort of attention. You don't need to have money to have it coaxed out of you.
Are english teachers perceived to be at a lower rung of society? Like street cleaners are in the UK? Or not that bad? |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: |
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muji wrote: |
Are english teachers perceived to be at a lower rung of society? Like street cleaners are in the UK? Or not that bad? |
No worse .... at least street cleaners have steady work. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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In reply to your visa question, as far as I know you can only be sponsored by your prospective employer. They must put together the documents for your COE. Those documents include specific information about the company and your employment. I doubt very much your friend can do it unless he/ she also plans to employ you. |
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