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lyndalorient



Joined: 10 May 2007
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Location: Dublin

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: Teaching with Sabis in Dubai, desperately seeking info. Reply with quote

I have been offered a contract with Sabis or Chouefait schools teaching English in Dubai. Does anyone know a thing about these schools? Good/Bad I just want to gain a bit of experience and money while experiencing a new culture. I am not expecting a fantastic school but I expect respect and no abuse from management or students.

Can you please e mail quickly telling me if you would do it or not. I am as confused as you were last year about the Sabis schools.
I will be earning 6400 in Euros thats no huge 1292�. But in Dubai is that alot. Rent and elec, water are already paid by the school

Principal questions??

Is the pay enough for a teacher?
Are working conditions acceptable?
Whats the standard of living like?
Can you save with this amount?
How much do ordinary things cost? ie food, transport, cosmetics, clothes
Is 6400 dirham alot in Dubai?

I would really appreciate it if you could answer ASAP as I have to give the school an answer very soon or I am worried my place might go to someone else"

Please can someone reassure me or tell me if that amount of money is enough to have a reasonable standard of living.

Is there a good chance of making friends out there. I am a little worried about being lonely but there is many expats and also are the people from Dubai friendly? I don t drink and I am not mad into going to clubs. But is there cinemas and cafes that westerners can go to in the evenings?
Are they terribly expenisve.
Is eating out cheap?
Are costs of living less than in Ireland or UK (In Ireland they are incredibly high and 1300 euro would get you no where)

Thanks and I appreciate any replies ASAP
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globalnomad2



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You generally get disrespect from managers and pupils in the Gulf. Dh.6400 might allow you to save up to 3700 or $1000 a month if you're single and don't go out to eat much. But you won't save much the first year. Yes, it's cheaper than the UK/Ireland, especially cars. You may think you don't need a car, but taxis add up in Dubai, although they're first class, while taxis are cheap elsewhere in the UAE but they're rather unpleasant, like taking cabs in Afghanistan or somewhere. And when it's 45 degrees C. and you're sweating and late for that appointment, that's when you won't get a cab.

Dubai has everything a modern world city has except an adequate public transportation system. Rents are sky-high, so if your school is paying rent, you'll probably share some kind of welfare-standard dump (but I don't work in the K-12 sector, so others will know better).
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you done a search? There are a number of threads on this organization as it has been around for awhile and is predictable. Their system is very structured, so it is a better fit for beginners than experienced teachers. It is a test-driven system.

It is better than many of the schools in Dubai... better student discipline... not a great place to teach, but certainly a place to spend a year or two for the both the work and life experience. There is no reason that you can't save some... unless you do a lot of partying. Cool

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lyndalorient



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a million for your replies,
I ve done research but I am excellent at coming up with loads of questions. but I am organised by nature so this move seems incredibly impulsive for me.
I think Dubai might be the best choice for me. As long as there is nothing horribly wrong with the school, and I don t suffer from poverty and the area is not dangerous I am reassured.
It will be a change but not a complete culture shock hopefully.
How are women on their own viewed? As I don t know anyone there so of course I ll be on my own for a while.
I am blonde and blue eyed, will I get the same attention as in Egypt and even France (I know but its true some of them make a big deal out of blonde hair) i.e. alot. Or wil I be surrounded by similar tourists and not have to worry like in Tunisia?
Can anyone tell me what standards of accomodation are like? Is there any buses whatsoever. Is the beach nearby?
A gym is very important for me . Is there one near the school? If so how much is it?
I don t want to buy a car in anycase I have enough problems driving on the left. Laughing So I suppose I can buy groceries in Bulk.
Does someone meet you at the airport and take you to the school?

Thanks a million for the answers already on the site but I am capable of coming up with the more specific (and girly ones Smile )
Lynda
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rosyanna



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi I have met quite a few Choueifat teachers. To be honest, most are young, just out of uni with no teaching qualifications. A lot are out to have a good time, and most do - usually very active socially. The Chouifat system is very rigid - however, it means that for you as a teacher, all your planning is done for you. For a couple of years it may suit you. [Sending your own children there is a completely different issue there, imo].
As for attention in Dubai - just going round malls, cinema etc you are unlikely to get much hassle. If you are on a public beach in a bikini, you will get stared at. Dubai has changed a lot - when i first came, 15 years ago, you would get a lot of attention, but really not now. Sometimes you can go into Spinneys and only see westerners, which is sad.
I don't know about Choueifat accommodation.
A lot of teachers here do private tuition. I imagine this is not allowed by Choueifat, but also guess a lot still do it. You would get around dh125 an hour.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dh.6400 might allow you to save up to 3700 or $1000 a month if you're single and don't go out to eat much.


Dhs 6400 - 3700 = 2,700 (Dhs 90/day!!!)

Dhs 2,700 = $740

That's a lot to be spending as a single person on food and entertainment.

Of course, everybody is different, and there are people in the world who would spend 6000 if the earned 6400, and then there are people who would spend only 500 if they earned 6400.

For me, spending Dhs 1,350 would be more far more than enough. Really, what are you going to spend Dhs 90 on, on average, per day? Dhs 45 is just fine.

So, you can easily save 5000 out of 6400.
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stoth1972



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, you can easily save 5000 out of 6400.


This is highly unrealistic unless the only money you spend is on groceries. It does not take into consideration the taxi fares to/from the shops, the gym (never mind that membership cost), the cinema, the occasional dinner out, etc.

Someone who doesn't have debt and doesn't drink can save some money on this salary. If you expect to leave the campus for something besides food shopping, saving 5000 dirhams/month is very much unrealistic.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is highly unrealistic unless the only money you spend is on groceries.


Really? So you are saying you spend Dhs. 1,400 = USD 384/month on gorceries? What are you buying, caviar?

And perhaps you missed what I said:

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Of course, everybody is different, and there are people in the world who would spend 6000 if the earned 6400, and then there are people who would spend only 500 if they earned 6400.


So, let people decide what they can save! Maybe you won't be able to save 5000 out of 6400, but I can, and I know lots of people who can and do save that much.

Monthly expenditures:

Groceries: 400-500
Eating out: 200-400
Taxis: 200-300 (you can walk, share taxis with friends, catch rides with vehicled colleagues, etc)
Gym: 100-200? (cheaper if you get a 6 month or 1 yr membership)
Entertainment: 100-200

Total spent: 1000-1600

Saved: 4800 - 5400

If the OP spends substantial on drinking, she should factor that in. And any other shopping (clothes, electronics, souvenirs, etc) should be totaled up and then divided by 12 to get a monthly average for it, and then subtracted from the amount saved above.
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stoth1972



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really? So you are saying you spend Dhs. 1,400 = USD 384/month on gorceries? What are you buying, caviar?


Trapezius, are you living in Dubai at the moment? The cost of EVERYTHING has risen. Most expats, particularly the Choueifat bunch, don't shop at the co-op. The demographic of the average Choueifat teacher at any of their five UAE schools is under 25, unqualified teacher, Irish, and typically not well-travelled. They opt for Spinney's and Choitram's for their groceries, seeking familiar foods and pretty produce. You can easily spend $300/month on groceries at those stores if you opt for beef and produce from 'familiar' producers. As for not paying full fare on taxis, most of the Choueifat teachers have only been there a couple years at best, and they typically do not buy cars.

The OP was originally considered for a job in Choueifat Dubai. I would expect that Al Ain provides less opportunities to spend you money, less expensive restaurants, for starts. Still, your estimates of 200 dirhams for eating out will mean no wine w/ dinner and visiting more 'cheap and cheerful' establishments (or opting for 'all you can eat' packages). Can one be frugal and save 5000 dirhams/month? Yes, but in my three years in two emirates, that type of frugality is not the norm.
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Iamherebecause



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trapezius clearly never switches on the lights or the a/c and doesn't have a phone, doesn't see the need for an internet connection or anything other than regular TV channels. Perhaps Choueifat teachers don't have to pay for any such bills, is it in with the accommodation? Even the phone??

Just taxis could easily see off 40dhs a day in Dubai if you have no car, need to go to work daily and want to go to the gym regularly plus other things. Even getting a regular lift with a car-owning colleague ought not to be totally free (unless you are totally Without Good Manners).

It's when you want to go home to Europe for your holidays that you really feel the pinch. As the OP said, 1300 euros a month gets you nowhere in Europe so she'd really have to save for the Summer holiday.
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stoth1972



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe Choueifat teachers only have to pay for the phone, actually.

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Just taxis could easily see off 40dhs a day in Dubai if you have no car, need to go to work daily and want to go to the gym regularly plus other things. Even getting a regular lift with a car-owning colleague ought not to be totally free (unless you are totally Without Good Manners).


The OP will be in Al Ain, so hopefully she's spend much less on taxis. I fonud people w/ cars get quite funny. I never asked for a lift, but it seemed as though people feared given you a lift once, and then having you expect it every time. Bizarre...but then I suppose there are people out there who would expect it every time! Wink
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lyndalorient



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can one be frugal and save 5000 dirhams/month? Yes, but in my three years in two emirates, that type of frugality is not the norm.


I actually survived on �350 per month during my erasmus year in France.
Still don t know how but the town I was in was horrible so that was why costs so low. Ie 150� for rent electricity inc. Astonishingly cheap compared to Ireland where one can easily spend �600 plus for accomodation.

As stoth pointed Al Ain is considerably cheaper than Dubai so I am not so worried about costs.

Plus I am a walking keep fit fanatic. I walk absolutely everywhere and can t bear the idea of driving or getting a lift. I think its rather decadent and indulgent to get a taxi everywhere. I am the type of person who refuses lifts when I can and walked 40 minutes each way to college for 3 years everyday.

But I think in the summer months I might have to give in and get a taxi because of the heat. But in the winter months I ve got my walking shoes ready.

I plan budgets so I think I ll be fine in UAE
I am quite a savy shopper that is to say I shop around to get the best value and as Stoth pointed out its not the norm but I am like that.
I also do alot of investigation before I go somewhere (you might have noticed from all the posting and questions Smile )

Must be my stay in France for a year thats done that to me Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lynda, there are two reasons why walking might be unpleasant for some women:

1) It's somewhat dangerous. The drivers are mad and many roads are not intended for pedestrians. Crossing a simple roundabout (something Al Ain is full of) can be scary. My doctor in Dubai was mowed down in the zebra crossing (and she had a 'walk' sign). Perhaps someone currently in Al Ain can speak to the traffic volume there better than I.

2) Women really don't walk anywhere (and few men, for that matter...I recall seeing mainly the men who worked as manual labourers). Women walking communicates some messages to certain men of various cultural backgrounds. If you're ok w/ the random solicitation for paid sex and the stares (particularly from men who don't see women very often), then you should be fine. I lived in Bur Dubai (centre of prostitution, it seemed) and couldn't walk the 4 blocks to my gym on Bank Street w/o a car trailing behind. Some people tune this out well. Bugged the crap out of me, though. Even friends of mine living on campus (which was quite a ways out of the city at that time) were solicited on an untravelled road between the school and the local grocery store. If you don't mind that stuff, then walk away. I wish the country was more walker-friendly than it is.

Good luck!
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lyndalorient



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually got asked for sex in France and Brussels several times whilst out walking. Basicly if you are blonde and ample chested you are asking for it (quite sad I think especially for France and Belgium)
I ll try and if it does happen I ll seek alternative methods of transport.

Does walking include city centre as I love strolling looking at shops and places? On foot paths of course. I am talking about walking in the city centre and residential areas not motor ways.

Also with regards to dangerous driving. I ve been to Egypt and Tunisia yet nothing prepared me for the madness that is Italy. Worse than Tunisia and Egypt put together and not for the faint hearted.
I still managed walking on footpaths despite motor bikes behind me on the foot path beeping to overtake. Cars going at 130 in a 50 zone, Red lights being cut, Overtaking without looking and coming head on with another car, no indications, driving on the wrong side etc.....

The only way to cross a road is to walk infront of the driver and hope he breaks an inch away from you. Or they swerve and zigzag around pedestritains. You have to see it to believe it.

I am amazed more people are not killed in Italy. The police are just as bad as ordinary italians so there is no role model.

I think I have to see UAE driving for myself to judge if its as bad as Italy.


Roudabouts don t faze me so much as they are everywhere in Ire except we approach from the left.

I don t think I d drive there as it does sound way too crazy for me.

I ll see how it goes.

Just out of curiousity is cycling any better than walking? If its like Ireland its probably the most dangerous form of transport
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Basicly if you are blonde and ample chested you are asking for it


is that what you are? Wink
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