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bailemos
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 Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: Japanese teachers` salary ?? |
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| Just wondering what sort of salary Japanese teachers - junior or senior high school (if it is different to primary etc.) would make ? I`ve heard teachers are considered to be well-paid in Japan, - is this true ! ? |
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Jon Taylor
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The Japanese teachers that have just started at my senior high school are paid 420,000 per month. They are teaching approx 12 hours per week.
This is the salary for the new staff.......all of them just out of University.
This is well under the national average wage though as i say, it's only for the newly qualified staff.
They're making comfortably more than the foreign staff and teaching far less hours. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| Jon Taylor wrote: |
The Japanese teachers that have just started at my senior high school are paid 420,000 per month. They are teaching approx 12 hours per week.
This is the salary for the new staff.......all of them just out of University.
This is well under the national average wage though as i say, it's only for the newly qualified staff.
They're making comfortably more than the foreign staff and teaching far less hours. |
I don't think this is the norm. I don't think this is true. New graduates often start around 180,000 to 230,000+ yen a month, plus a bonus, with increments around 10,000 yen every year. They often get more money, depending on the clubs they coach or other duties/responsibilities they have. |
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Jon Taylor
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| I don't think this is true. |
Yes Canuck, it is true.
I attended the meeting when all pay scales were issued. |
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sidjameson
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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I second that. I worked in a national JHS and I was amazed at how low the salary was. It took a few years to reach even 3 million a year.
Im at a university now. I know the pay scale is higher than schools, but even here a teacher would need a few years experience before he was earning that money.
Many people here seem to like to feel that somehow the gaijin teacher is getting ripped off by comparison to his J counterpart, but I really dont believe that to be true. |
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furiousmilksheikali
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| Of course the pay may differ depending on whether the school is a private or public one. |
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japanman
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Jon Taylor wrote: |
They're making comfortably more than the foreign staff and teaching far less hours. |
They may be teaching less hours but the burden of responsibility is huge. They also have clubs, meetings etc to do. It's not just a case of going in, teaching and then leaving like foreign English teavhers do. This is a huge difference. |
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shuize
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| Jon Taylor wrote: |
The Japanese teachers that have just started at my senior high school are paid 420,000 per month. They are teaching approx 12 hours per week.
This is the salary for the new staff.......all of them just out of University.
This is well under the national average wage though as i say, it's only for the newly qualified staff.
They're making comfortably more than the foreign staff and teaching far less hours. |
I also doubt these numbers. They certainly are not the norm for newly hired university graduates here. |
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taikibansei
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Jon Taylor wrote: |
| The Japanese teachers that have just started at my senior high school are paid 420,000 per month. They are teaching approx 12 hours per week. |
 Wow...this is double the average starting salary at public high schools in this country.
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| This is well under the national average wage though as i say, it's only for the newly qualified staff. |
The national average for entry-level high school teachers is 203,621.
http://www.poor-papa.com/starting_salary.htm
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| They're making comfortably more than the foreign staff and teaching far less hours. |
Glad that's cleared up.... 
By the way, the average monthly salary for high school teachers is actually much higher: 528,964. This is because salaries increase each year you're employed, with the pace of these increases picking up in your 40s. And don't forget bonuses, pension, and other benefits! |
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canuck
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Jon Taylor wrote: |
The Japanese teachers that have just started at my senior high school are paid 420,000 per month. They are teaching approx 12 hours per week.
This is the salary for the new staff.......all of them just out of University.
This is well under the national average wage though as i say, it's only for the newly qualified staff.
They're making comfortably more than the foreign staff and teaching far less hours. |
| Jon Taylor wrote: |
| I attended the meeting when all pay scales were issued. |
As others have noted, Jon Taylor is misinformed. Not only do the numbers not add up, assuming he doesn't have a tenured position at his school, these issues would not have been discussed in front of him. If you are a full-time 3 year person, I also doubt these issues would be discussed.
Furthermore, the bonus system is crumbling in Japan...not only with schools but other companies as well. There often is a point when the annual increases stop, or slow.
I repeat, a 21 year old, with no teaching experience, fresh out of university, does not walk into a 420,000 a month salary.
As many people know, the bonus system often works where you have your monthly salary, and you times it by 16 or 18 to get your yearly salary. Many people also look at it as your yearly wage (12 months) plus a 2-3 month bonus in the summer and in the winter.
420,000 x 16 = 6,720,000 yen
420,000 x 18 = 7,560,000 yen
I repeat, a 21 year old, with no teaching experience, fresh out of university, does not walk into a 6,720,000 to 7,560,000 job. |
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cornishmuppet
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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While I don't know about any other schools, I was pretty friendly with the music teacher at my last school. She was fresh out of uni and said she earned 18man a month which surprised me as its pretty low. She said it was like a trainee wage or something, and that after a year it would go up, but she didn't say to what.
Another middle-aged teacher was quite happy to tell me that his half yearly bonus was 50man, a figure which he explained went up with age and was higher if you have dependents, etc.
Personally I'd think an average teachers salary is closer to 40man than 20, but I don't know. For the amount of hours they do they certainly deserve it. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Salaries for public school teachers go up drastically with age. The new teachers get a really low salary, about 18-20 man to start out and then almost 3 times that amount when they hit their 60s. This info came from a number of teachers I've talked to. So if you stick with it, not a bad career choice. |
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Jon Taylor
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| japanman wrote: |
| Jon Taylor wrote: |
They're making comfortably more than the foreign staff and teaching far less hours. |
They may be teaching less hours but the burden of responsibility is huge. They also have clubs, meetings etc to do. It's not just a case of going in, teaching and then leaving like foreign English teavhers do. This is a huge difference. |
I teach at a private high school which is considered to be one of the very top high schools in Japan and is a feeder school for Tokyo University.
I have to attend regular meetings as well as attend clubs.....the same as the native staff. You may be one of the teachers that "goes in, teaches and leaves" but my position is certainly nothing like that.
The Japanese staff are paid 420,00 yen per month.
How do I know this ?
During one of my many meetings with the principal we dicscussed salaries and he was the one that notified me of the salary of the newly qualified teachers. I was very surprised and wouldn't have believed it myself had it not been in black and white in front of me.
All of our salaries including my own are around the same 420,000 mark. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Jon,
I suspect you have a very special school. A good exception anyways. Good for you. |
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Jon Taylor
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Gordon wrote: |
Jon,
I suspect you have a very special school. A good exception anyways. Good for you. |
Judging by the nature of the replies Gordon, I would be inclined to agree with you. |
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