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1 Mans struggle to get to japan
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Motley_Crue



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: 1 Mans struggle to get to japan Reply with quote

Hey again, long time since i posted in here.... Getting to japan has been a struggle for me ever since i decided to go like 3 years ago.

My main reason to go was to enjoy the country, goto museums, soak up the culture, meet friends and train in Jiu Jitsu or at a shooto gym. OH and SHOP! Wink

But i couldn't figure out the best way to go. A working holiday visa seemed like the best way to go, but then you cant get a job teaching english i found out without a bachelors degree. And i heard finding any other job is really hard. The other thing i heard was a Cultural visa. But to get that you need a dojo up there to sponsor you, and i couldn't find a dojo i liked where they could email me back (i'm guessing they couldn't understand my e-mail since it was in english).

Then just when i was about to say "screw it i might as well just work towards a bachelors degree and wait the 4 years", i talked to a career counselor and they mentioned that theres an exchange program i could go into. Then i did all my research and the bs, got re directed and so on.... and finally i figured it out. If i work for my bachelors for 1 year in the college i am at now, then transfer to another college and do 1 year there, on the 3rd year i can goto japan on an exchange and then meet a bunch of foreign friends, while i do maybe 2 classes and relax, train Jiu Jitsu, and have fun. Which sounds great...

The only thing is im going to be 23 this September which means ill be 25 when i goto japan. i know thats "young" Razz but i been wanting to goto japan since i was 14 and ya....its been a long and hard journey already. and the other thing is, like i mentioned before, i train in jiu jitsu, and in the small town i live in im learning very slow and im at the point where i want to be pushed, and japan dojos are the place to do it....so i just really want to get there ASAP.

So i dunno...am i going the right way people? or is there any other options? I heard i could also just applie at a school in japan from here and go down there...but that could be very scary, having to motor around, find the place and then get set up with no help at all...

ps: when i was looking up company's like jet, geos, nova, etc there seemed to be a position named "Sports Exchange Advisors (SEA)" which sounded pretty cool, do any of you guys know more about this?

thanks again .....and thanks for reading through my crazy long post XD
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're in the middle of university. You want to come here and push yourself at a dojo. Get a working holiday visa and do it. The only thing you have to worry about is funding yourself. You don't need a sponsor for the WHV, and it will be good for a year.

Beyond that, you will have to get another type of visa. 2 options come to mind:

1) during your year on WHV, get into a dojo and convince the sensei to sponsor you for a cultural visa when the WHV is over. No reason to waste the WHV, so just use it until completion. It may take that long to convince the sensei anyway.

2) return to Canada after the WHV is up, do the university thing you mentioned, and come here before you finish using that exchange program. (You'll still not have a BA degree, but you'll have some time here.) Then, while you are here, convince the sensei as in #1.

Or just return to Canada after the WHV, finish you degree completely, and have the eligibility for a work visa in hand.

Or just finish the darned degree now and get it over with.
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muji



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do have a degree, can you work full time as an English teacher with a working holiday visa?
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canuck



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

muji wrote:
If you do have a degree, can you work full time as an English teacher with a working holiday visa?


A WHV enables you to work. There are people who come to Japan and teach English with a working holiday visa. It's usually people who don't have a degree that do so. Some people with degrees come to Japan on a working holiday visa because it's quicker.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a working holiday visa with or without a degree. It is based on nationality and age.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html

In either case, you can work part-time or full-time.
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Motley_Crue



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but the thing is... If i go down on a WHV how hard is it to get a job? and what kind of job can i expect to get, a restruant one? also wheres a good place to stay? gaijin house?
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: 1 Mans struggle to get to japan Reply with quote

Motley_Crue wrote:


ps: when i was looking up company's like jet, geos, nova, etc there seemed to be a position named "Sports Exchange Advisors (SEA)" which sounded pretty cool, do any of you guys know more about this?


That's normally a JET position. You need a degree to apply and the competition is heavy.

Also, it sounds like the sport you would be an advisor for is a Japanese one. They don't need that.

You would have been finishing your degree by now if you had started when you first decided to go to Japan and did a three year degree (I'm not sure if that is an option where you're from. It is where I'm from). Plus, then you would have a DEGREE. It's not like that would have been a waste of time (not that hanging out and talking to a career councellor and doing internet research for THREE YEARS was! Rolling Eyes )

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If i work for my bachelors for 1 year in the college i am at now, then transfer to another college and do 1 year there, on the 3rd year i can goto japan on an exchange and then meet a bunch of foreign friends, while i do maybe 2 classes and relax, train Jiu Jitsu, and have fun. Which sounds great...


Sounds more like a long shot to me. Plus, your assumptions for what your life would be like in Japan sound possible, but not guaranteed.

Do you speak and read Japanese?
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Motley_Crue



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: 1 Mans struggle to get to japan Reply with quote

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You would have been finishing your degree by now if you had started when you first decided to go to Japan and did a three year degree (I'm not sure if that is an option where you're from. It is where I'm from). Plus, then you would have a DEGREE. It's not like that would have been a waste of time (not that hanging out and talking to a career councellor and doing internet research for THREE YEARS was! Rolling Eyes )


Well a lot has happened in my life so ya its been hard...

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Sounds more like a long shot to me. Plus, your assumptions for what your life would be like in Japan sound possible, but not guaranteed.

Do you speak and read Japanese?


Yes I speak a fair bit of japanese, well enough to handle a conversation. As for reading.... im learning slowly but surely
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canuck



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motley_Crue wrote:
but the thing is... If i go down on a WHV how hard is it to get a job? and what kind of job can i expect to get, a restruant one? also wheres a good place to stay? gaijin house?


http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=48775&highlight=whv
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=47850&highlight=whv
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=42021&highlight=whv
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=46676&highlight=whv
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=46703&highlight=whv
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=44770&highlight=whv

The list really goes on and on.

Hint: Search WHV, working holiday visa, without degree and threads by Keith_Alan_W for information about coming to Japan, working, money, housing, costs etc. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Canuck, 5 puppies are not killed everytime you use the search function.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If i go down on a WHV how hard is it to get a job? and what kind of job can i expect to get
You don't need a degree, so employers might find you lacking in what they want for qualifications. However, you can hit the ground running and start work the same day you are hired, instead of waiting for a work visa to be processed.

What are you qualified to do?
What work do you WANT to do?

Look at www.jobsinjapan.com for ads for many types of jobs. Weed out the ones you don't want or are not qualified for. Go for the rest. Practically anything is acceptable by WHV standards (bar work is out, as you can read on the WHV homepage).
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jademonkey



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for a year in Tokyo on a working holiday visa the first time I lived in Japan. You cannot by law work full time BUT you can work lots of overtime. I was getting about 220,000 yen from my part-time job & another 100,000 yen from overtime, which is plenty of money. Just come over, work part time, it'll make sense when you get here. It's fine.
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Motley_Crue



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jademonkey wrote:
I worked for a year in Tokyo on a working holiday visa the first time I lived in Japan. You cannot by law work full time BUT you can work lots of overtime. I was getting about 220,000 yen from my part-time job & another 100,000 yen from overtime, which is plenty of money. Just come over, work part time, it'll make sense when you get here. It's fine.


if ya dont mind me asking what kinda work did you do? I read all those links and i was hoping that if i did go the WHV route, that i could get a simple job like being a waiter but it looks like you cant .. Confused

Also like i mentioned before, getting the bachelors is 4 years, which ya is too long of a wait for me. But i can do the one year of it in japan after 2 years..... and then i only have to do 1 more year here and then i can go back to japan and be qualified for teaching. And the moneys good if you get into a program like jett or geos i here, so id be able to enjoy the country, train and have a good job... right? Razz

And the last thing that i can think of to ask (i seached and didnt find it), is would it be smart to get a "bachelors of education"? would that be better for teaching english in japan?
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i train in jiu jitsu, and in the small town i live in im learning very slow and im at the point where i want to be pushed, and japan dojos are the place to do it....so i just really want to get there ASAP.


I would question that. Some people that I know that train here are not too happy at the Japanese run dojos as they adopt a sempai-kohai set up, bascially the lower belts sometimes practice getting beat up by the higher belts. That and the rate they teach you new material at is anything but fast.


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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still, at least with grappling you get to know what's working and what isn't (assuming you can consistently get into grappling range) pretty quick - it's not like Paper Tiger-ryu Karate, where theories and endless verbalizing can abound. And what's wrong with getting beaten up a bit LOL.
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