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yanshan
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: women's public safety in taipei |
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hey all,
i did a general search for this but couldn't find anything specifically on women's public safety in taipei. my mom (who's from guangzhou but has lived in the US for over 20 years and never lived in taiwan) says that i shouldn't go to taiwan because things there are very "luan." besides that, though, a taiwanese-american friend says that, in taipei, women who work late at the office - like, say, stay until 1am - would generally prefer to spend the night their offices than take a cab home. compared to shanghai, for example, he said that taipei is extremely dangerous. is public safety really such an issue there for women?
thanks!
p. s. i'm probably moving there in july; let's be friends. |
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markholmes

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 661 Location: Wengehua
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: |
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I'm not a woman and I didn't use public transport much, but no, Taipei (and Taiwan in general) is not a dangerous place. Obviously, a lone woman at night should keep her wits about her, as you would in any other country, but you are probably safer than you are in most North American cities.
I don't know Shanghai that well, but I think I would be more worried there. |
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MomCat
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 297
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Hi yanshan,
Generally foreign women do not have a problem with crime in Taiwan.
There have been reports of taxi drivers assaulting women. I don't know if they're true but it does seem to have created something close to paranoid panic in some of my female Taiwanese friends. Example: A group of us (two men, two women) were standing across the street from the train station and wanted to get a cab. My friend called on her phone for a cab instead of walking over to get one of the many waiting in front of the station. The reason was because there would be a record of the call with the taxi company and therefore would be safer. This is a level of fear and caution I don't subscribe to and frequently take taxis alone, even after dark.
I've found Taiwan to be very safe. I've only been here for eight months but saw more evidence of crime in China than I have here. I once left my backpack on a shuttle bus (here in Taiwan) and it was turned in and returned to me, including the camera that was inside.
What city will you be in?
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yanshan
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: |
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MomCat wrote: |
Hi yanshan,
Generally foreign women do not have a problem with crime in Taiwan.
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This is a level of fear and caution I don't subscribe to and frequently take taxis alone, even after dark.
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What city will you be in? |
hi momcat,
i'm actually ABC, so one would think that i wouldn't be targeted on the basis of appearance or nationality alone. in general i think my mom is concerned about the political situation in taiwan, but i do realize that it's no worse than many other countries i could choose to spend a year in.
hopefully no one will flame me for making a generalization, but i think there is a genuine cultural difference between americans and east asians about public safety fears... i subscribe more to the american view, having wandered around at 5am in a familiar and busy hong kong neighborhood completely alone after a night out. in my experience east asians/chinese are definitely much more concerned about public safety and sexual assault than you and i might be. i once bent over to fix my shoelaces in a very slightly low cut shirt (by my standards) and my friend whom i was with told me to be more careful about exposing myself!
i'm looking for an ESL job in taipei, probably, so i have a larger choice of universities to take extra classes in. ideally i'd like to be able to take one class per semester on us-china-taiwan relations and taiwanese business law, but i haven't really done much research on special enrollment at universities yet. and yes... having read through the forum a bit, i feel it necessary to add the disclaimer (since this is my second time posting) that i do realize that going to taiwan to teach ESL will actually require hard work and effort in teaching! |
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yanshan
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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markholmes wrote: |
[...]you are probably safer than you are in most North American cities.
I don't know Shanghai that well, but I think I would be more worried there. |
in my experience, shanghai was a very safe and pleasant city, although i did not ever have the "pleasure" of trying to make my way home alone late at night during the summer i lived there.
all i can say for sure is that, that as long as i pick a good neighborhood, i will be safer in taiwan than in my current crack-riddled neighborhood in pittsburgh!!! (there is a crackhouse next to my backyard. no, i'm not joking.) |
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lou_la
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 140 Location: Bristol
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Hi!
I moved to Taiwan in November, and I feel way safer here than I did wandering the streets at night at home in the UK. I wander around Taipei on my own at night fairly often, never even felt unsettled.
Of course listen to warnings, but really, i think you're going to be a lot safer here than in the US! |
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markholmes

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 661 Location: Wengehua
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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hopefully no one will flame me for making a generalization, but i think there is a genuine cultural difference between americans and east asians about public safety fears |
I don't think anyone would flame you for that. I think most would agree.
I didn't mean to make out Shanghai to be dangerous. Perhaps just my lack of knowledge of the area makes me more wary there.
As for the political situation, these things, as they usually are, are mostly reserved for the halls of government and don't, for the most part, affect the casual overseas observer. |
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yanshan
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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markholmes wrote: |
I don't think anyone would flame you for that. I think most would agree.
I didn't mean to make out Shanghai to be dangerous. Perhaps just my lack of knowledge of the area makes me more wary there. |
haha, i'm scared of this board!
yes, it only makes sense to be cautious in a place you don't know well! |
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sbettinson

Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 81 Location: Taichung
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I could honestly say that from a personal safety point of view you have more chance of getting run over or in a road accident than getting attacked or mugged here.
I heard of one of our teachers working in Changhua (I work at Hess in Taichung) getting followed and grabbed at while she was jogging by some guy in a car, so it does happen, but the cases are so isolated I wouldn't worry too much.
Just keep general wits about you and whenever you can, travel with friends if you are out late at night and if you feel uncomfortable in a cab, you can always read out the guy's licence number which is on the dashboard to ensure the guy knows he is being watched. Mace is also cheap and available here too. Just don't try to spray cockroaches with it like someone I know did. Long story. |
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psychedelic
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 167 Location: China
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: reply to lou_la |
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"Of course.......................in the US!" Have you even lived in the U.S.? OMG..it's the horrible U.S.A...there's a criminal lurking at every corner!!!! Any female will be attacked at any possible time!!!!!!! Yours are the typical,over-stated,paranoid comments about the U.S.!!!! The fact is that there are 300 million people in the U.S.,so of course statistically there will be more crime there than a country like Taiwan with 28 million people. It's also a fact that serious crime is waaaaay down overall in the U.S. from what it was. Until I believe last year,serious crime in the U.S.A. declined for nine consecutive years!!!! You didn't know that did you? Well,guess what? Like millions and millions of other Americans...I've NEVER been attacked or assaulted or a victim of a serious crime. A Japanese guy mentioned to me that he felt very safe during his stay in San Francisco. Of course, there is crime in the U.S. A. just like in Paris,Seoul,Johannesburg,etc. But,if one is wise just like being in any other country..one should be okay. Actually,I feel much safer in my country than in South Korea..where I've had some very bad experiences through no fault of my own!!! The same can be said for many other foreigner's in that country..that have had to deal with some *beep*,highly xenophobic,thuggish,anti-foreigner South Koreans!!! |
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psychedelic
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 167 Location: China
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: reply to markholmes |
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"but you..............North American cities." Have you even lived in North America? Another assinine "OMG THE U.S.A. IS JUST A TOTALLY CRIME-INFESTED COUNTRY..ONE CANNOT WALK ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!" group of words!!!!!! "Obviously,..............country,". Exactly!! Serious crime has gone way down in the U.S.A.,but you didn't know that did you?  |
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TaoyuanSteve

Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 1028 Location: Taoyuan
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: |
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i'm actually ABC, so one would think that i wouldn't be targeted on the basis of appearance or nationality alone. |
Actually, given that you are local looking, you may be more susceptible to creeps than a foreigner. Locals give foreigners a wide berth, but they won't know you're foreign by looking at you. If people trouble you, do what I told my ex (who is a CBC) to do: speak English at them rapidly. Still, generally, locals are very "keqi" with foreigners, but not as much with someone they see as one of them. Positives come come with the negatives as well. You'll likely make more friends with locals and fit in easier as "huaqiaoren" than a "waiguoren."
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in general i think my mom is concerned about the political situation in taiwan, but i do realize that it's no worse than many other countries i could choose to spend a year in. |
I think your mom gets too much of her info from the grape vine. Taiwan would be a safer choice than China. Politics? Just keep controversial political views to your self when around strangers and politics will never be an issue.
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i do realize that going to taiwan to teach ESL will actually require hard work and effort in teaching! |
There are those who will try to tell you that. To some extent, effort is required when learning the ropes but, overall, it's a very easy gig.  |
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The Great Wall of Whiner

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I have had more problems in China than in Taiwan.
In fact, I have no memory of any bad experiences in Taiwan at all except for once at a bar. |
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