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harold



Joined: 18 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: 25% Reply with quote

question 1: do i get the 25% foreigner tax refunded to me after i've lived here for six months, or after the end of the fiscal year?

question 2: six months; is that my time at each school, or the total time i've ever been in vietnam? what if i traveled here a couple of years before for a while? does that count?

question 3: how do i go about getting this back? i assume it doesn't magically appear in a paycheck. are we filing taxes here?

you might assume that my employer would have clear information on this, but it's difficult to get explicit info in a language not native to someone.


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lizarddoctor



Joined: 11 Aug 2004
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Location: HCMC, Vietnam

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 25% tax is only to be applied for the time someone is in Vietnam for their first 6 months. Most schools don't apply it though, and is not dependant on a school. After those 6 months are up, you are to get 15% back from the school(s) that took it in the first place. Take SEAMEO for example, they do take it, but they give it back without any questions asked without hassle after your visa hits 6 months. Another example is IPS which will take it and not give it back in any circumstance and even tried to take 25% from everyone because they don't understand the laws themselves. I already have listed them with strict caution for anyone living here less than 6 months because you will get screwed there. I helped as much as I could before with the long termers, but they still are breaking the law in regards to new teachers and another concrete instance will have to go through the police or a lawyer to get some action.

Don't assume much towards an employer knowing what is the law as many papermills set up for the business of cash before education will find ways to take your cash without giving it back until they are caught and forced to refund it. This law doesn't apply to anyone who can show a visa status that they have lived in Vietnam for more than 6 months. You can even take a vacation and come back as long as the gaps in your visa aren't too far apart. Again, most schools don't even mess with it, but their are the occassional a$$ schools that aren't worth working at anyway.
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the school taxed you 25% from your gross pay, forget about getting it back.

You should never take a job that will take off 25% Tax because all these language mills are cheating on their taxes with government anyway. Especially when they are hiring teachers without proper WP.
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Riding One



Joined: 25 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lizarddoctor wrote:
IPS which will take it and not give it back in any circumstance and even tried to take 25% from everyone because they don't understand the laws themselves. I already have listed them with strict caution for anyone living here less than 6 months because you will get screwed there. I helped as much as I could before with the long termers, but they still are breaking the law in regards to new teachers and another concrete instance will have to go through the police or a lawyer to get some action.


If a school is going to take 1 out of 4 dollars I make teaching while I am paying at least double for everything because I am a foreigner, I think I will pass on this school.
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hongkonghippo wrote:
ChuckECheese wrote:
If the school taxed you 25% from your gross pay, forget about getting it back.

You should never take a job that will take off 25% Tax because all these language mills are cheating on their taxes with government anyway. Especially when they are hiring teachers without proper WP.


This is complete non-sense.

Apollo in Hanoi, did call me back after 7 months after I quit and gave me back my refund. They also supplied all the correct documentation and proof of payment. I believe the cut off for the 25% is 128 days but I am not exactly sure. If a school is taking 25% they have to give you a refund...it is government policy the not the schools money !

Also some schools will only charge you 10% while you work for them and then they will keep your refund but this works out in the end anyways...I think Apollo offered this but so many people they had to ch age this policy.


Complete non-sense?

Notice I said teachers teaching without WP. If you're working without WP (working illegally) and getting deducted 25% tax, you won't see any tax refund. What will you do? Are you gonna call the tax office or the VNese law and tell them that you were working illegally? Rolling Eyes

For this reason, if the language mills wants to hire you illegally without WP, you must negotiate the tax rate.

HKH,
As for your refund, it's really very truly hard to believe that Apollo Hanoi voluntarily called you for no reason and begged you to get your refund money. Rolling Eyes But what ever you say.....
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Riding One



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hongkonghippo wrote:
This is complete non-sense.

Apollo in Hanoi, did call me back after 7 months after I quit and gave me back my refund.


Apollo is one school in one city, Hanoi.

There have been different issues in HCMC.


As for being called back consider yourself lucky.

Did they phone you? Send you an email?


Wonder if you had to leave for a medical emergency or were visiting relations back in your home country.

I have heard different experiences down here in HCMC.
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Riding One



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hongkonghippo wrote:
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HKH,
As for your refund, it's really very truly hard to believe that Apollo Hanoi voluntarily called you for no reason and begged you to get your refund money. Rolling Eyes But what ever you say.....


They did not have to beg I ran over to get it...Trust me no one was more shocked than me


I thought you said that this was easy?

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.....but then Apollo has a seperate accounting dept. and my phone number, address and contact info is still the same as when I worked there so they contacted me recently.

Like I said any school with a real accounting dept. is going to do this....most of the time. I do personally know of several teachers who have gotten their refunds from them...as long as they stayed in Hanoi...if not then I am sure it was kept by Apollo.


This is laughable.

I have not worked at a school yet that had an even average accounting department.

Why are you defending this practice.

It's clearly designed to rip the teacher off.
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Riding One



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have not worked at a school yet that had an even average accounting department.


HKH:
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All this says is you are not a qualified or desirable teacher. If you are going to work at backpacker schools you are going to get screwed, but don't lump everyone together in you low end of the spectrum.


What makes a teacher qualified is debatable.

I have a BA and CELTA and and am in training for a teacher trainer position that will go with a Diploma program I'm starting in July.

It sounds like you are being a bit judgmental.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Again Reply with quote

We'll try this one again.

If there is a repeat of the trolling and inappropriate posting that occurred previously, the thread will be permanently removed and sanctions applied to responsible members.
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sethness



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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Location: Hiroshima, Japan

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that Apollo is hurting for teachers, right now, after a flotilla of the teachers quit. Perhaps their call to offer a tax refund was simply a way of saying "Hi, we're here, need a job?" to a very qualified ex-employee.

That'd make good business sense, though it's a calcualted risk. Sort of...fishing with good bait, eh?
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AnnMouse



Joined: 06 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi I actually know a bit about this due to the experience of people I know. Apollo only deducts 10% from full time teachers and subsidizes the rest of the tax for the first 183 days in which the "foreigner tax" applies.

Part timers are deducted 25% but they get it back in their next pay cheque once they have been in the country 183 days.
I even know of a guy, not the same person as above who recently left for a higher level position they were offered elsewhere in the city and the accounts dept told them to come back once they'd been in the country 183 days and they would reimburse the extra tax he'd paid. So, may be some people above have had some bad experiences but I think others are just a bit cynical.
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Tanker



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnMouse wrote:
So, may be some people above have had some bad experiences but I think others are just a bit cynical.


It is not being CYNICAL.

It is being over-taxed, told you will be paid back and NOT being paid back.

Cynical?

I think when you get burned you call it, REALISTIC.


And it does, bite.
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