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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: Relocating to China with a NNS spouse/raising a family |
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Three years ago I worked in China for a bit and now my (Peruvian) husband and I are thinking of relocation there on a permanent basis to live and raise a family. His English is basic, he knows databases and stuff like that.
We're planning in advance; the soonest we could go would be next year, but I can't just pick up and go, I have to make sure that my husband will have a visa, job, etc. So that's why I'm asking so far in advance.
I have already talked to a school that would get us both visas, so at least that's taken care of.
Anyways, I just wanted to hear from anyone who's in a similar position as me. If you're married to NNS, what's it like for you?
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dave_merk
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 208
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Relocating to China with a NNS spouse |
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naturegirl321 wrote: |
Three years ago I worked in China for a bit and now my (Peruvian) husband and I are thinking of relocation there on a permanent basis to live and raise a family. His English is basic, he knows databases and stuff like that.
We're planning in advance; the soonest we could go would be next year, but I can't just pick up and go, I have to make sure that my husband will have a visa, job, etc. So that's why I'm asking so far in advance.
I have already talked to a school that would get us both visas, so at least that's taken care of.
Anyways, I just wanted to hear from anyone who's in a similar position as me. If you're married to NNS, what's it like for you? |
I could be wrong, but I think the spouse of the person who is issued a working visa and resident permit can get the same documents automatically by grace of simply being married. There's a spot, for example, inside the FEC for "accompanying family members" and I think husbands and wives would apply. Don't quote me on that, though. Do some checking first.
As for jobs, maybe he could be a translator or language teacher in his native language. There are lots of private language schools that are branching out into teaching Russian, Spanish, Korean, Japanese, and whatnot. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Right, about the visas, I'm sure it would be no problem. Just wanting to hear from those who are in China with a NNS and what their experience is like. |
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Yu
Joined: 06 Mar 2003 Posts: 1219 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I think many of us here are with Chinese spouses....
I had a friend here from OZ, she stayed home. Her husband was a chef at a hotel resturant. They seemed to do fine... but you situation would be different. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Yu wrote: |
I think many of us here are with Chinese spouses....
I had a friend here from OZ, she stayed home. Her husband was a chef at a hotel resturant. They seemed to do fine... but you situation would be different. |
Exactly, what I mean is that if you married a Chinese, then at least one of you has citizenship. In our case, both of us would be foreigners, forever. |
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colonel
Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Nanyang and Cha-Am
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Assuming the acronym is Non Native Speaker I'm here with my wife and our three year's old daughter. My wife is Thai with a fairly good command of English but that ability is of little use here as almost nobody can speak English. You posed the question, 'what's it like for you?' It's a challenge but one which we are enjoying. Our daughter goes to a local kindergarden as we want her to learn to speak Mandarin. Looking after a child is a full time job in itself so my wife doesn't get time to get bored. However, you've got a man, without any babysitting tasks, to consider! I have no idea about employment opportunities, other than teaching, here. Feel free to ask me any more specific questions if you need to. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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colonel wrote: |
Looking after a child is a full time job in itself so my wife doesn't get time to get bored. However, you've got a man, without any babysitting tasks, to consider! I have no idea about employment opportunities, other than teaching, here. Feel free to ask me any more specific questions if you need to. |
We want to do the same thing, have our kids, when we have them learn Mandarin. The shoe's on the other foot for us though, I'm a woman and would be the main breadwinner, I can't imagine my husband staying at home with kids, personally, when we have kids, I want to continue working part-time. |
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clark.w.griswald
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: |
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Naturegirl321 I understand that you have been considering this for a while but I would certainly not want to have the experience that you are likely going to have.
Being an expat with an expat spouse here short term is one thing, but moving here permanently is entirely another.
As foreigners we are pretty well tied to our employers and while I don't have a real problem with that considering that we are here for employment, I wouldn't relish the prospect of forever being reliant upon employers for my future stability. If you had a local spouse there is some scope over time to move away from that reliance, but as you are both foreigners that is not likely to happen unless you are recognized in some way as contributing greatly to China in which case you may get some special concessions.
Would you consider Taiwan? At least in Taiwan you can get open residency after a certain period of time without any marital ties to a local resident. You are close enough to the mainland to travel throughout China and you can probably earn enough money there to achieve this.
In both countries your spouse can likely be here on your visa but as far as him attaining employment here I think that not likely. Not from any legal espect but from the practical aspect of someone who does not speak English or Chinese - I assume!
If you are committed to the China route then I don't know if there is much foreign trade to Peru but if there is then perhaps it would be worth locating yourselves in a area that produces product that Peruvians are currently buying in China. In this way your husband may be able to get work with a local trading company to promote their business with Peruvian customers. As English teachers we can fortunately locate ourselves almost anywhere. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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clark.w.griswald wrote: |
As foreigners we are pretty well tied to our employers and while I don't have a real problem with that considering that we are here for employment, I wouldn't relish the prospect of forever being reliant upon employers for my future stability. If you had a local spouse there is some scope over time to move away from that reliance, but as you are both foreigners that is not likely to happen unless you are recognized in some way as contributing greatly to China in which case you may get some special concessions.
Would you consider Taiwan? At least in Taiwan you can get open residency after a certain period of time without any marital ties to a local resident.
In both countries your spouse can likely be here on your visa but as far as him attaining employment here I think that not likely. Not from any legal espect but from the practical aspect of someone who does not speak English or Chinese |
About being tied to an employer, that would happen pretty much anywhere. THere are exceptions of course, Peru, the USA, Canada. However, we first were looking at Central and Eastern Europe and getting residency is very difficult, and for many places if you want to become a citizen, you have to give up your old citizenship.
I know a couple of families who've been in China for 6 plus years and both the husband and wife are foreigners. It's not an ideal situation, but I've had my heart on living in China for years and ever since I left I've been wanting to go back.
I don't want to go to Taiwan, because our kids would have to go to an international school and we want them to go to a local school. And personally, Taiwan is so small and there are so many expats, that's not the life I want.
There are heaps of Chinese in Peru, so maybe the same goes for China. I'm hoping that he could teach Spanish, or find work at the school where I work. COnnections are gold, especially in China. |
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vikuk

Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1842
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:10 am Post subject: |
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I don't want to go to Taiwan, because our kids would have to go to an international school and we want them to go to a local school. |
Nothing to do with snobbery - but this I believe is a rather curious idea - and could pose a bigger long-term problem that your husband�s situation. Just for the sake of our children�s happiness, positive development and hoping they were brought up with the kind of norms and mindset that my wife and I value � we would have great problems choosing any Chinese educational institution for our kids � even kindergartens � especially those of the ordinary variety!!!!
But then again how long are you guys trying to look into the future?
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naturegirl321

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: |
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vikuk wrote: |
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I don't want to go to Taiwan, because our kids would have to go to an international school and we want them to go to a local school. |
Nothing to do with snobbery - but this I believe is a rather curious idea - and could pose a bigger long-term problems that your husband�s situation. Just for the sake of our children�s happiness, positive development and hoping they were brought up with the kind of norms and mindset that my and I wife value � we would have great problems choosing any Chinese educational institution for our kids � even kindergartens � especially those of the ordinary variety!!!! . |
I know it may seem strange, however, I enjoy the Chinese culture. Yes it can be difficult and frustrating at times. HOwever, one of the reasons we want to leave Peru is to find our country, not his, not mine. Some place where we both are a bit out of place. About values, I agree, however, we hope to do that at home. |
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vikuk

Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1842
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: |
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I know it may seem strange, however, I enjoy the Chinese culture. |
Your Children will have to enjoy the culture of Chinese schools - the more remote the more traditional (trad referring to post 49). Parents of course always impose their values on their offspring, but again with schools and the long-term future � I would be very cautious about that choice within China � since I suspect the values, norms and goals they offer would greatly differ from your own. |
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naturegirl321

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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The East is very different from the West. We don't want to go to a super small town, I would like to go back to Changchun. I understand that education is not the same there as it is here, but we'd like them to study primary school in China and then come back to Peru for secondary. |
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colonel
Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Nanyang and Cha-Am
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: |
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clark.w.griswald wrote: |
Being an expat with an expat spouse here short term is one thing, but moving here permanently is entirely another. |
Sound advice.
We plan to spend two years here giving our daughter ample opportunity to learn 'some' Mandarin and then return to Thailand. You have some experience of China and therefore some idea of life here. I am in a small city and if my wife had to give birth here I'd be apprehensive at best. You've got a lot to consider when you're planning a family both short and medium term -believe me. What is your country of origin by the way? |
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naturegirl321

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: |
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American. Trying to get Romanian citizenship, but who knows if that'll happen. I'm pretty sure that my mother's entire family left stateless when they left Romania. And in another year, I'll be Peruvian. |
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