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Filinadian
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 Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: I need your advice! |
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Hey guys
I am about to leave Japan (in one week in fact). My ex-employer is claiming that on my last pay cheque that they forgot to deduct the social insurance and pension from my pay cheque. Therefore, they are requesting that I pay back the money that they forgot to take out.
The problem is, I have already sent most of my money back home and used most of it to help pay for my grandmother's funeral. I do not have enough money to pay it back.
What do you guys think I should do? I don't really have relatives or friends in Japan that can lend me money. Also, I don't want to borrow money because it will be hard to pay it back as I will be going back home for good in one week.
Any advice you guys have on this would be great. Thank you very much. |
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dove
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| I would pay it back when you can. So if that means sending your employee the yen equivalent in a personal check say, two months down the line when you get new income flowing in, then that's what I would do. They made a mistake. They will have to cover the loss for now. And they will have to find a way to cash the check. When mistakes are made, people have to deal with it. By the way, how much money are you talking about? |
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Quibby84
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Why would you have to pay for their mistakes? If they forgot to take it out then I think they should cover it....(sorry for the aggression, I am a little tired of employers taking advantage of their workers...) |
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Quibby84 wrote: |
| Why would you have to pay for their mistakes? If they forgot to take it out then I think they should cover it....(sorry for the aggression, I am a little tired of employers taking advantage of their workers...) |
MOD EDIT
Assuming that it was an honest mistake, and you don't have the money now, make good on it when you can. Explain the situation to them. In the end, it's the right thing to do. |
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Quibby84
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| It just seems weird to me that they forget....maybe it is different here but in America if the employer forgets something then they take up the slack. Kind of like if you order a cheese hamburger and they give you a chicken burger then you get the cheese hamburger for free.... But that is just my experience... |
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Quibby84 wrote: |
| It just seems weird to me that they forget....maybe it is different here but in America if the employer forgets something then they take up the slack. Kind of like if you order a cheese hamburger and they give you a chicken burger then you get the cheese hamburger for free.... But that is just my experience... |
It's kind of like the supermarket cashier gives you $20 too much in change, and you go next door to the video store, rent a couple of movies and on the way out, the cashier runs out and tells you that she made a mistake. So you go and say, "Tough sh*t?"  Doesn't make sense.
I wish the MOD wouldn't have edited the post, because it was very accurate, without name calling or anything like that. However, I stand by what I said, and I question your integrity.
Punish everyone in the world for an honest mistake? Good rule to live by?
The original poster should just make good when he can. It's not like he loses out. |
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Quibby84
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I guess you are right but lately I and my fellow workers have been feeling jipped (is that a word) by our employer. Like telling one person that they had accidentally paid them to much and that they wanted to money back (the two people were putting their planning time on their time sheet (something they thought they could do) and it added up to more hours than our boss wanted to pay)...I doubt she got it but still, I dont like being treated badly by someone who is supposed to be my superior.
But if I had a good boss who treated me right all along then I would easily pay the money back, but I guess it has just been a bad week and I think every one is out to get me (or the OP). |
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quibby84 wrote: |
I guess you are right but lately I and my fellow workers have been feeling jipped (is that a word) by our employer. Like telling one person that they had accidentally paid them to much and that they wanted to money back (the two people were putting their planning time on their time sheet (something they thought they could do) and it added up to more hours than our boss wanted to pay)...I doubt she got it but still, I dont like being treated badly by someone who is supposed to be my superior.
But if I had a good boss who treated me right all along then I would easily pay the money back, but I guess it has just been a bad week and I think every one is out to get me (or the OP). |
FYI: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=gipped
Your friends are angry that they aren't allowed to claim extra planning time that wasn't agree upon beforehand? That's your gripe at your employer? |
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Quibby84
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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no, of course that is not all.
They were told that they could put it on their time sheet by someone else (the person directly in charge of them, not the head boss), then after, they were told by the main boss that they couldnt...after they were paid...but we have been lied to, everyone (including schools we work for) has been lied to...I just worry that the OP is in a similar situation. BUT if he/she is not, they disregard all of this and pay them back. |
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markle
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Quibby84 wrote: |
| feeling jipped (is that a word) |
Actually it's gypped as in gypsied, meaning cheated in the manner of a dirty theiving gypsy. SYN: being jewed. |
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furiousmilksheikali
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| markle wrote: |
| Quibby84 wrote: |
| feeling jipped (is that a word) |
Actually it's gypped as in gypsied, meaning cheated in the manner of a dirty theiving gypsy. SYN: being jewed. |
In other words, a racial slur. |
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furiousmilksheikali
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Quibby84 wrote: |
I guess you are right but lately I and my fellow workers have been feeling jipped (is that a word) by our employer. Like telling one person that they had accidentally paid them to much and that they wanted to money back (the two people were putting their planning time on their time sheet (something they thought they could do) and it added up to more hours than our boss wanted to pay)...I doubt she got it but still, I dont like being treated badly by someone who is supposed to be my superior.
But if I had a good boss who treated me right all along then I would easily pay the money back, but I guess it has just been a bad week and I think every one is out to get me (or the OP). |
Quibby, I can't remember the amount of times that you've mentioned some dodgy practices at your school and how many times you've been advised to look for something different. The thing is, some employers will try and get away with whatever they can. It's no use hoping things will get better because if you don't do anything about your situation there'll really be no incentive for them to change their ways. |
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Quibby84
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| If we leave we loose a lot of money....and they just gave my husband ALT, and he has been asking for that forever....I guess we will just stick it out...at least when we are finished we will have over a year teaching experience...and I have thought about leaving at exactly the wrong time (when like 3 other teachers have left) and it would only make the good people suffer, the boss wouldn't blink an eye, she is hardly at the office enough to even know there is a problem... |
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furiousmilksheikali
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Quibby84 wrote: |
| If we leave we loose a lot of money....and they just gave my husband ALT, and he has been asking for that forever....I guess we will just stick it out...at least when we are finished we will have over a year teaching experience... |
I don't understand how you will lose a lot of money. If you apply to other jobs and give the required notice to your current employers then what can the problem be? There are plenty of ALT jobs around even if it isn't prime hiring season. I would recommend looking into other things if your company is mistreating you. |
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Big John Stud
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Quibby84 wrote: |
| Why would you have to pay for their mistakes? If they forgot to take it out then I think they should cover it....(sorry for the aggression, I am a little tired of employers taking advantage of their workers...) |
I have to totally agree! In fact if it would of been the opposite, most likely once you left Japan, they would not pay you anything! One company I worked for in Japan would make all kinds of illegal deductions, it took me 3 years and a lawyer to get them to pay me the unpaid rages! The Labour Board in Japan is a waste of tax payers money. No employer protection! So again, I agree with the above statement. Don't get me wrong, I do love Japan. However, no place is perfect. Japan really needs to develop some kind of employer protection for Japanese and foreigners alike  |
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