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Tornado2080
Joined: 28 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: Salary |
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Do you make more money teaching at a local school, or buxiban?
Also, does going through a recruiter might make you make less salary since the school or buxiban have to pay them for their service.
From what I know, there will be no airfare, housing, basically anything going to be compensated.
What's a fair salary range, 50,000 NTD, 60,000 NTD, 70,000 NTD for beginners? |
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BigWally
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 765
Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| There are a number of posts on this...use the search at the top....generally a decent newbie salary can run from 60000-70000NT/month....most places will not provide airfare or accomodations... |
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SanChong
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I think in Kaohsiung, where Big Wally is, salaries may be just a bit higher.
Everywhere else, anywhere from 55,000-65,000 starting salary is good. Then you can work privates, etc. to supplement your income.
As for recruiters, it won't have any impact on your salary depending on which service you use. Some services charge you money. Others, like Reach To Teach and Dewey, do not. |
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BigWally
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| True, generally speaking many jobs are starting at $600/hr down here in K-town. That is the standard rate for all subbing jobs, and many fulltime jobs will be just under that mark, unless you can find a superb school who respect you then you may get more. That being said, I think the cost of living in the south is lower too. (ie. i'm sharing an apt with my gf, and our shared rent is 10000/mth....ooooh the savings) |
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teacherwilltravel
Joined: 22 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: salary |
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Based on my research the poster who said that the newbie salary is 60000 to 70000 nt is exactly what i found.
But if thats a newbie salary ive neber seen an ad for an experienced teacher offering more. As an experienced teacher, I'd like to find a teaching position job paying more .
I realise that kind of employer will be able to insist on only outstanding teachers with many years of experience and strong qualifications. However, i have never seen a job over 70000 nt on any website so im wondering if its true to say Taiwan doesnt really want expensive experienced teachers. they're as happy as ever with someone young , new to teaching and who is happy with 60000 nt.
Perhaps the high paying positions go to
1. people in taiwan
2. People in taiwan with good contacts
In Japan, i was told that these kind of positions are for people with the right contacts and perhaps Taiwan is the same.
I don't know the answer to this question but Is years of teaching experience valued for the jobs or is it only the teaCHERS WITH 10-15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHO VALUE eXPERIENCE?? |
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dangerousapple
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| In-Taiwan teaching experience can pay higher, but non-Taiwan teaching experience doesn't get you much, as in many ways you would need to learn the ropes all over again. What works in one culture doesn't always work in another. |
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flapjack
Joined: 20 Oct 2006
Posts: 118
Location: "JENNY 2" shrimp boat
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Most newbies get 55,000 to start with.
I have seen a job with Dewy that pays 80,000 per month but you have to be a licensed teacher, even then the salary depends on your performance record while you work. For example they pay 60,000 + bonuses for always being on time and never taking sick leave, etc. In the end it could add up to 80,000.
Good luck! |
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SanChong
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I realise that kind of employer will be able to insist on only outstanding teachers with many years of experience and strong qualifications. However, i have never seen a job over 70000 nt on any website so im wondering if its true to say Taiwan doesnt really want expensive experienced teachers. they're as happy as ever with someone young , new to teaching and who is happy with 60000 nt.
Perhaps the high paying positions go to
1. people in taiwan
2. People in taiwan with good contacts
In Japan, i was told that these kind of positions are for people with the right contacts and perhaps Taiwan is the same.
I don't know the answer to this question but Is years of teaching experience valued for the jobs or is it only the teaCHERS WITH 10-15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHO VALUE eXPERIENCE?? |
All true, unfortunately. However, it's really not that much different than back home. If you move from one school district to another in the States, you don't always start at an experienced rate. You many times have to start all over again at the bottom of the pay scale.
Wouldn't it be nice if, as a society, we valued teachers more?
Anyway, in Taiwan a new teacher should expect a salary of between 50,000-65,000NT per month BASE. Many jobs will also offer overtime, etc. Also, there are always private students. Remember, tutoring is technically illegal. However, it should be fine.
If you develop good privates, then you can easily make a good deal money, but you will also be working more.
55,000NT is perfectly fine to support yourself and save a good bit of money. For most young teachers, that's a good deal for a few years. If you want to save a LOT of money (10,000US+) per year, then it won't be possible with that base salary. |
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Toe Save
Joined: 04 Oct 2004
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Location: 'tween the pipes.........
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| SanChong wrote: |
Wouldn't it be nice if, as a society, we valued teachers more?
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Of course. It behooves society to not value them.
And this sentiment resonates at the heart of my contention that we are not teachers in Asia.
Now I agree that once you are alone in the classroom, an individual can change this perception of mine. In my experience, only a handful of foreigners working in Asia as ESL providers can actually claim the sobriquet "Teach".
But we are talking of salary here, in this thread. Salary has very little to do with what goes on inside the classroom. It has mostly to do with you simply showing up, not ruffling those feathers, and not getting any complaints. Bonuses are calculated on returning client percentages and attendance. Quantity, not quality is the name of the game. And the game is business. Very rarely do they play the game of education. This is why I have stopped thinking of myself as a teacher. For business reasons. At best, I am a coach or a consultant. When my boss offered me a string of morning hours in a local high school, he actually said that he didn't need a teacher, he needed a white face. This was his way of trying to negotiate my salary down. He thought it was a compliment. I turned him down on the spot and my perception of him has changed forever.
And he is one of the better employers I've had here.
If it helps you get thru the day, think of yourself as an astronaut for all I care. But let's not mistake our employers to be educators. |
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markholmes
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Location: Wengehua
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: |
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I think a newb should expect 55,000 straight off the boat. Anything more than that and you're doing well.
After a year you can move onto a 65,000 to 70,000 a month job. This is what I did. At the second job (the 70,000nt one) teacher's salaries were incremental and those that had stuck around three years plus (some had been there 10 years) were hitting 85,000 plus. This was for a five day week from 8 to 4. Unfortunately I hated it so dipped out early.
The point is, the big bucks are there, but you need to put in the effort and time to get up to that level. Most of us only consider it a two year stay, so never achieve those giddy heights. |
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SanChong
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
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But we are talking of salary here, in this thread. Salary has very little to do with what goes on inside the classroom. It has mostly to do with you simply showing up, not ruffling those feathers, and not getting any complaints. Bonuses are calculated on returning client percentages and attendance. Quantity, not quality is the name of the game. And the game is business. Very rarely do they play the game of education. This is why I have stopped thinking of myself as a teacher. For business reasons. At best, I am a coach or a consultant. When my boss offered me a string of morning hours in a local high school, he actually said that he didn't need a teacher, he needed a white face. This was his way of trying to negotiate my salary down. He thought it was a compliment. I turned him down on the spot and my perception of him has changed forever.
And he is one of the better employers I've had here.
If it helps you get thru the day, think of yourself as an astronaut for all I care. But let's not mistake our employers to be educators. |
Again, a large string of unfair generalizations. Then again, you are entitled to your opinion. Mine is that you paint things with way too wide a brush.
Taiwan is just like anywhere else: Good schools and bad schools; Good educators and bad educators; Good teachers and bad teacher, etc.
Is the LA school district any better? |
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Toe Save
Joined: 04 Oct 2004
Posts: 202
Location: 'tween the pipes.........
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But we are talking of salary here, in this thread. Salary has very little to do with what goes on inside the classroom. It has mostly to do with you simply showing up, not ruffling those feathers, and not getting any complaints. Bonuses are calculated on returning client percentages and attendance. Quantity, not quality is the name of the game. And the game is business. Very rarely do they play the game of education. This is why I have stopped thinking of myself as a teacher. For business reasons. At best, I am a coach or a consultant. When my boss offered me a string of morning hours in a local high school, he actually said that he didn't need a teacher, he needed a white face. This was his way of trying to negotiate my salary down. He thought it was a compliment. I turned him down on the spot and my perception of him has changed forever.
And he is one of the better employers I've had here.
If it helps you get thru the day, think of yourself as an astronaut for all I care. But let's not mistake our employers to be educators. |
Again, a large string of unfair generalizations. Then again, you are entitled to your opinion. Mine is that you paint things with way too wide a brush.
Taiwan is just like anywhere else: Good schools and bad schools; Good educators and bad educators; Good teachers and bad teacher, etc.
Is the LA school district any better? |
Yes, I paint things to widely. let's just, for argument's sake, adopt the 80-20 rule when considering my posts and their inherent value.
My point is that the LA School District is just that...a school district. It doesn't pretend to be a service industry. But here, we have a service industry pretending to be a school.
Or at least 80 percent are.  |
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AQUA MARINA
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Posts: 104
Location: Canada *In TAIWAN AUGUST 8TH!**
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Will it be a problem finding a contract for $600-$700 NT / Mth
anywhere in the South Taiwan?
That's my aim to be able to save money. |
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AQUA MARINA
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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Location: Canada *In TAIWAN AUGUST 8TH!**
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OOPS! I meant to say PER HOUR..hehehe  |
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Toe Save
Joined: 04 Oct 2004
Posts: 202
Location: 'tween the pipes.........
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| AQUA MARINA wrote: |
Will it be a problem finding a contract for $600-$700 NT / Mth
anywhere in the South Taiwan?
That's my aim to be able to save money. |
Maybe. Primarily because you are planning on going to China, so the commute alone will be hell.
And secondly, 700/hr is paid to people who know not to use an article in conjunction with a proper noun.
As for savings, anyone can save if they work enough. Take your basic ARC package of 14 hours, then fill out your schedule with other work. You can work morning afternoon and evening, 6 days a week and save scads of cash even if your rate is only 550/hr.
With no experience, 550 is what you should count on. It's better than a pogie cheque. Take it from a member of the UIC Ski Team. |
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