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senor boogie woogie

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Posts: 676 Location: Beautiful Hangzhou China
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:12 am Post subject: CELTA, DELTA, TEFL, TESL, TESOL, which is best? |
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Hola!
I want to get a teaching certificate. I want to do this because I feel that I need some addtional training and this is a positive route for me. I have been in Asia for almost three years now, and I am just kind of bumming at it (you can bum in China). I am OK, I love to lecture in front of groups, but my lesson plans fall like lead baloons most of the time. I love Asia though and want to stay here! I have been wanting to go to japan as of late and want to hit the Japanese ground running.
So, what do I get as a certificate? It is all an alphabet soupm to me, CELTA, TEFL, TESOL, TESL, DELTA, Trinity, what have you. What I desire is to be trained properly, to have a teaching credential. I know that the courses cost, I can make this in China in 2 monthes time.
So what alphabet soup course is the best?
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:14 am Post subject: |
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You may hear the CELTA is best, because it's more recognized. I, however, had no problems whatsoever getting a job with my non-CELTA TEFL certificate. What you need to make sure of (and somebody mentioned this on another thread) is that it's got enough class hours/teaching hours. Most intensive courses are in the 100-130 hour range, which includes several practice teaching sessions.
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biffinbridge
Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 701 Location: Frank's Wild Years
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 10:44 am Post subject: advice |
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In Europe a CELTA is the probably the best thing to get....it's certainly the most widely recognized. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:46 am Post subject: Re: advice |
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biffinbridge wrote: |
In Europe a CELTA is the probably the best thing to get....it's certainly the most widely recognized. |
In Japan, though, where el senor has indicated he would like to go, a lot of places don't require a TEFL certificate, in which case recognizability shouldn't be a factor. If the senor is just interested in getting a certificate for his own personal benefit, they would probably all be equally beneficial.
I'm sure the Japan experts can correct me if I am mistaken about the requirements.
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Senor: if you love to lecture in front of groups. Are you in the right job? that's not teaching. maybe any qualification would aid you.
why has it taken you three years to come to this descision? |
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once again
Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 815
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:44 am Post subject: |
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I think the preference for a CELTA or a TRINITY TESOL is not only because they are more widely recognised. You should almost be guranteed a qualitiy training course with these two certificates, but the same may not be true for others. I am not saying that others are bad, or that all of the above run courses are great, but by doing one of the above two you should be reasonably sure of good training. |
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FGT

Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:06 am Post subject: DELTA doesn't apply |
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DELTA is the higher level (diploma) course which you would be unlikely to be accepted for without CELTA and a further 2+ years post-CELTA teaching experience.
I agree that CELTA and Trinity would not only be widely accepted but would also provide a worthwhile course for you to benefit from and enjoy. |
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biffinbridge
Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 701 Location: Frank's Wild Years
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 9:35 am Post subject: dmb |
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'Descision'...were u on the sauce last night? |
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struelle
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 2372 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:17 am Post subject: Re: DELTA doesn't apply |
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DELTA is the higher level (diploma) course which you would be unlikely to be accepted for without CELTA and a further 2+ years post-CELTA teaching experience. |
This a point worth underscoring. I found this out when I did my CELTA. I have a question, though, can any teaching experience post-CELTA qualify for DELTA, or does it have to be at select schools like International House or British Council?
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:39 am Post subject: |
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I have a question, though, can any teaching experience post-CELTA qualify for DELTA, or does it have to be at select schools like International House or British Council?
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That would be crazy. I'm 99.99% sure that it would be teaching experience period. If it was, it would be a huge misjustice to say the least. |
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Ria
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:55 am Post subject: DELTA requirements |
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According to the DELTA syllabus, the entry requirements are described as follows:
"Centres are responsible for selecting candidates and should satisfy themselves that candidates have a profile of experience, skills and awareness in ELT that enables them to complete the course and all the assessed elements.
A candidate will normally:
-have a minimum of two years full time (1,200 hours) teaching experience of ELT to adults within the past five years
-have a range of teaching experience involving work in different teaching contexts and experience of teaching learners at different levels.
Candidates will normally be graduates or have undertaken some formal course of training in ELT to adults. It is the responsibility of individual centres to ensure that all candidates have an appropriate awareness of language and language competence in English which will enable them to follow the course and complete all the assessed elements successfully." |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 8:26 am Post subject: Re: dmb |
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biffinbridge wrote: |
'Descision'...were u on the sauce last night? |
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dyak

Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 630
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Don't you have to have taught abroad to do a DELTA? |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 11:27 am Post subject: Trinity |
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Go for Trinity man. That together with the UCLES courses are the only real ones. I speak from a UK perspective. Our transatlantic cousins may see things differently.
And watch out for rip-off merchants. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Trinity |
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scot47 wrote: |
Our transatlantic cousins may see things differently.
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Yes, we might!
I learned loads from my program, and I wouldn't have wanted to (nor would I have been able to) teach without it, but I found that once I got into a real classroom, I didn't use very much of what I had been taught. Different contexts, etc. Which is why I don't think there can possibly be that much difference. (Of course, there are loads of differences between "TEFL mills" and certified programs. I just think that most certified programs would give the same caliber training.)
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