Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

And the Best Teacher Is...
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
nomadder



Joined: 15 Feb 2003
Posts: 709
Location: Somewherebetweenhereandthere

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: And the Best Teacher Is... Reply with quote

So we have CELTA, DELTA, TESOL, RSA, B.ED(PGCE), MA Linguistics, TEFL etc. M.ED blah, blah. The list could go on. Then there are undergrads with nothing or perhaps a Tefl cert. of sorts.

From your experience what makes the best teacher? Do some of the above really stand out or does the right personality with a willingness to find out what is needed do just as well? Obviously personality, caring and intuitive skills cannot be taught.

I'm just thinking of a really uptight bleep(save you the trouble of bleeping me) who got CELTA and a Masters and didn't even seem to understand what she had learned or why. A highly unlikeable sort who didn't even seem that smart.

Another situation: a school that certified CELTA teachers-all teachers that taught foreign students had CELTA and often other qualifications like Masters yet I met many students who thought it was a terrible school and they were switching to other schools in the area. Reasons were things like you asked a question and they didn't know the answer and never tried to find out and tell you later. There wasn't much chance to correct pronunciation.

It seems like-I look good so I don't have to try hard-the movie star syndrome in TEFL?

I know people often need to get credentials to stand out for employers but is most of it a bunch of hogwash or what? Most employers these days seem to lack the skill to pick up on people skills and probably just look at letters/numbers I think. Rolling Eyes Of course when it's a phone interview I suppose they take whatever they can get though I'm not sure face to face makes that make difference. My theory is a general lack of people skills/discernment all around.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
Posts: 3419
Location: finally home-ish

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if this thread will turn into yet another argument between people who don't have degrees and therefore argue that degrees aren't necessary and don't make good teachers and people who have degrees and argue that degrees are necessary.

I have paper qualifications, but I wouldn't say that those alone are enough. I think a good teacher should have both qualifications and experience, and more importantly a good attitude--not "I have an MA so I must be a good teacher" or "I've been teaching for 30 years so I must be a good teacher," and not "I've never done this before and don't want to take the time and money to get trained but I think I could do a good job anyway because it's not like it's rocket science or anything!" but "What can I do to be a better teacher?"

I must also add that I do think teachers should have degrees (not necessarily in teaching), just because at the very least it shows that we respect education enough to get ourselves educated in the normal conventional way. How can we expect our students to sit through our classes if we haven't put in the time and effort to sit through other teachers' classes?

d
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
gaijinalways



Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Posts: 2279

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denise posted
Quote:
I've never done this before and don't want to take the time and money to get trained but I think I could do a good job anyway because it's not like it's rocket science or anything!" but "What can I do to be a better teacher?"


Good points denise. I think what makes a good teacher is what makes some of us collect brochures on vacation in English speaking countries, and sometimes prompts us to do research on the net on what the local media stars are up to or whatever the student mentioned as a topic that we perhaps didn't know that much about before talking to them.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ls650



Joined: 10 May 2003
Posts: 3484
Location: British Columbia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I teach and watch others teach, the more I'm convinced that paper qualifications have little to do with teaching ability, at least in the world of TEFL. A good teacher can become better with further training, but nothing can help a terrible teacher.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
guangho



Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 476
Location: in transit

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

denise wrote:
I wonder if this thread will turn into yet another argument between people who don't have degrees and therefore argue that degrees aren't necessary and don't make good teachers and people who have degrees and argue that degrees are necessary.

I have paper qualifications, but I wouldn't say that those alone are enough. I think a good teacher should have both qualifications and experience, and more importantly a good attitude--not "I have an MA so I must be a good teacher" or "I've been teaching for 30 years so I must be a good teacher," and not "I've never done this before and don't want to take the time and money to get trained but I think I could do a good job anyway because it's not like it's rocket science or anything!" but "What can I do to be a better teacher?"

I must also add that I do think teachers should have degrees (not necessarily in teaching), just because at the very least it shows that we respect education enough to get ourselves educated in the normal conventional way. How can we expect our students to sit through our classes if we haven't put in the time and effort to sit through other teachers' classes?

d


If someone teaches a skill such as mechanics, maybe school qualifications are secondary but even then the teacher had to learn his craft somewhere.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
Posts: 9041
Location: home sweet home

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passion for teaching. SOme of the best teachers have no qualifications, some of the worst have PhDs. By the same token some of the worst have qualifications and some of the best have PhDs. It all comes down to how you teach in the classroom.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Posts: 2583
Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very well put guys.


I have two interview questions I love.

"What have you learned recently that has made you a better teacher?"

and

"What is the next step in your teaching career?"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
Posts: 9041
Location: home sweet home

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE wrote:
Very well put guys.
I have two interview questions I love.
"What have you learned recently that has made you a better teacher?"
and
"What is the next step in your teaching career?"


Working at a school that has 11 or ten grades per student in the report and I have 100 students, has caused me to be super organised. Also, writing things down and having students sign it. For example, if they don't give me an assignment, they cheat on a test, they give me a copy-paste paper. That way when parents or their homeroom teacher complains, I can show them that the student admitted doing it. Or if the student denies it I have it in writing, sad, but true.

Next step, I'll be finishing my MA in Feb, I'd like to get a DELTA but here in Peru, there are no centres. Otherwise, in a couple years, I'd like to go to China and start a family.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
John Hall



Joined: 16 Mar 2004
Posts: 452
Location: San Jose, Costa Rica

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Personality profile" is something that is becoming more and more important to companies consid