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donfan
Joined: 31 Aug 2003 Posts: 217
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 10:53 am Post subject: ESL career |
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Hi,
I am thinking of doing ESL as a career. However most ads for ESL teachers indicate a preference for younger teachers. What happens when somebody turns 40? Are they immediately seen as washed up? What countries can you go to that don't have an insistence on youth? |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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There are lots of positions for older (sorry) teachers in Japan. You aren't the ideal candidate for teaching young kids, they mostly want younger women, but there are lots of other jobs here too.
I am the only foreign teacher at my university who is under 40. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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China might be a good place too for someone aged above 30 or 40. And, here you can find gainful employment in a kindergarten more easily than younger folks. |
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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NOVA et all will take over 40s. I helped train a few (don't ask about that.)
I have friends in their 50s 60s and one nearly 70 who teach in Japan. The oldest has a PhD, though.
In China age doesn't mean a whole lot to many employees. I know a few people in their 50s 60s and one in his 70s (and he doesn't have a PhD) teahing here.
The big thing is usually people at that age have commitments that are hard to break to go overseas (family, property, retirement plans, stuff like that.) If you have lots of the above, you might find leaving it behind hard.
I started at 22 with nothing but a BA in my backpack.
Do net reserch and weigh it carefully.
Oh, and read the posts of the more experienced here. |
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donfan
Joined: 31 Aug 2003 Posts: 217
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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China - mmm could be interesting. However, what is the savings potential there like? I would have thought very little. I need to go somewhere where I could save myself a nice little nest egg for retirement. |
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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donfan wrote: |
China - mmm could be interesting. However, what is the savings potential there like? I would have thought very little. I need to go somewhere where I could save myself a nice little nest egg for retirement. |
Shaky. The big cities have money that can be made. But you'll have to piece together part time work above and beyond your usual job.
Unis will usually advertise 3000 - 6000 yuan/month. They usually include free housing (well most jobs do). Private schools are more work but usually pay 5000 - 8000. Now, lots of the China hands here say that they demand more, but that's what gets offered.
8280 yuan = US$ 1000 Or thereabouts.
If you want retirement savings, Taiwan, Korea, and Japan have better money on average - as far as I have seen (I've worked in Japan as well.) The Korean private schools don't seem to offer much in the way of job security.
Nothing I say is written in stone. Just from what I've seen looking here. Listen to others as well. If you want to save money for retirement, maybe China shouldn't be your first choice, though. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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I was in Korea for a time and found most of the teachers were pretty young. Mostly 20 somethings and the market is for teaching kids. Of course there are many exceptions and one's age shouldn't deter you from a particular country. I'm using generalizations. |
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october
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 49 Location: Israel
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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well, Mr. 40, I sure hope we are not too old (i'm 36 - not such a big difference) I have been in education for more then 10 years but only 7 in EFL/ESL and i am also hoping to get a job abroad. In my mind 40 is young!! it is the experience that counts and your state of mind. The true problem is the financial situation. Saving with a family is tricky. If you are on your own i believe that a good teacher is well appreciated anywhere. Hey, would you like to work in Israel? Just kidding. |
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