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TheCathedral



Joined: 03 May 2007
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Visitor Visa Advice Reply with quote

Maybe someone has some advice for me.

I have been trying to get my 60 day visitor visa at a TECO here, however, the individuals there are telling me that they won't issue me a 60 day visitor visa because my reference works for a language school in Taiwan and they presume I am going there to teach. They didn't deny me the visa but I was pretty much told that if I continued with the application I would be denied. I have already been to that TECO twice trying to resolve this, and they now already know me there. I thought I would travel to a different TECO and use a different reference, however I don't have any other reference to use.

Has anyone encountered a similar problem and dealt with it? Or does anyone have any advice when I visit this new TECO location? Also, for those who have successfully applied for a 60 day visitor visa, did you write the name of your reference down? Or did you only issue the name and arc # of your reference when asked? Is it possible to get a 60 day visitor visa without a reference?
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MomCat



Joined: 02 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you from? Although I had the name of a friend they didn't even want to see it. I think they have different rules for different countries.
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clark.w.griswald



Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do they know that the person is related to a school? Did you make note of the schools name? Why not just make an application using that persons name as a friend without mentioning the school?
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TaoyuanSteve



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: Taoyuan

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest listing no reference at all. Where it asks where you will be staying, put "Taipei Hotel" and nothing more. If they ask for anything else, say you are going to visit, know nobody there and will stay in hotels.
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TheCathedral



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys for the advice.

It's been complicated and I've ended up going back to the TECO in NY--the one I've been going to--and applying instead for a 30-day visa which they seemed more willing to give from the last time I went in. I just got a voicemail that the director needs more documents from me though I've given them so many documents already. I wish I didn't write the name of the reference down the first time but it's too late and now it's in their hands and I know they know what I intend to do in Taiwan though I have always insisted I was just visiting.

The lady who was helping me knew the name of the reference I wrote down for some reason--it has probably been used numerous times before--and immediately got up and told the director who came out and scolded me.

To answer one of the questions asked, I didn't tell them that the reference worked for a language school, they just seemed to recognize the name and know. They also said they can look up his arc number and find out his work info.
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timmyjames1976



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does your reference work for a big chain school? I had zero problems my first go with the NY office, but things change all the time. Also, there seems to be a lot of "this will be denied if you continue." That strikes me as odd, since they lose nothing by actually letting you pay for processing and then denying you. I think this kind of thing comes in cycles.
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BigWally



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well if the school in question, always uses one foreigner who they have on staff, living in country of course, for the applications then there are bound to be several names that the people in the TECO office would remember...i mean how many foreign (English named) applicants do you think come thru their office?

but what choice do the schools have? it would be a lot easier to explain why you're going to visit another foreigner than going to visit the director of a bushiban and his family....i think this is probably a case of your school being a bit short sighted in their hiring process...

i think its all part of the Taiwanese way of enforcing the rules at their discretion...for how painless the process was for me, I find it hard to believe that there are some offices out there that can cause some people such hassle....
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TheCathedral



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those trying to apply for a visitor visa in the future, I would avoid TECO NY. TECO NY denied even a 30 day visa to me even after they told me if I applied for a 30 day they would be more willing to grant it than a 60 day. The consulate demanded more than the avg. amount of documents from me (itinerary, bank statement with at least $5,000, copy of a reference's ARC in Taiwan, letter of invitation from that same reference, and a certified letter of employment). Additionally, the director even called my reference in Taiwan and spoke to her about her relationship with me. This is really surprising as--reading from many other people's experience with applying for a vv--it seemed so easy. Maybe the director personally has something against me.

Now I guess my chances are slim for getting employment in Taiwan...though if anyone could give me any hope, that would be very welcome.

If I went elsewhere to try to apply for my vv again, do any of you guys think that those denied stamps or whatever it is they put in your passport (I haven't yet picked it up from TECO) would make it very difficult for me to get one? Even outside the US...like HK or elsewhere?

Any advice is welcome. Thanks to those who have commented thus far.
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baasbabelaas



Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to get on a first-name basis with one of the TECO/consular officers.

I did that in SA and he pushed my application through nice and easy, I even avoided the witch who (wo)mans the front desk.

Ask to speak, in person, to one of these guys.
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheCathedral wrote:
If I went elsewhere to try to apply for my vv again, do any of you guys think that those denied stamps or whatever it is they put in your passport (I haven't yet picked it up from TECO) would make it very difficult for me to get one? Even outside the US...like HK or elsewhere?


If you were denied a visa then there will be nothing in your passport to indicate that. No stamps or anything if that is what you are thinking.

The only problem is that next time you apply for a visa to Taiwan you need to answer the question about whether you have ever been denied a visa to Taiwan before. Now you could answer truthfully or not. It is unlikely that they would know so a lie here is unlikely to be caught. The danger of not answering truthfully is that they may just find out and that in itself would be reason enough not to give you a visa. This is the conundrum that is visas!!!

I have never really understood the difficulties in getting visas to come here though. Surely their concern is that you come on a visitors visa with the intention of working illegally on that visa. The problem is that many foreigners have the full intention of getting the legal resident visa once they get here and get a job so all of the trouble is really for nothing. Add to that that the odd genuine tourist could be discouraged by the antics of the visa office and you have to wonder whether it is worth it.

Surely the government should act more here locally in finding and deporting foreigners caught working illegally rather than persecuting those who they assume are going to work illegally. It would not be too hard to match up tax records with visa records and conduct more regular raids on schools to catch those working illegally.
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Jamer



Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't understand why the Taiwan government doesn't use the same process as Korea in getting work visa....Swear to god Taiwan wastes so much time and energy on visas with both themselves and the people applying
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TaoyuanSteve



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: Taoyuan

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The problem is that many foreigners have the full intention of getting the legal resident visa once they get here and get a job so all of the trouble is really for nothing. Add to that that the odd genuine tourist could be discouraged by the antics of the visa office and you have to wonder whether it is worth it.

Surely the government should act more here locally in finding and deporting foreigners caught working illegally rather than persecuting those who they assume are going to work illegally. It would not be too hard to match up tax records with visa records and conduct more regular raids on schools to catch those working illegally.


Beyond doubt, the TECO people know they are issuing most of their visitor visas to people who intend to work here. They make you go through their song and dance all the same. The system, and the associated "difficulties" that come with it, is the product of the functionaries who get to keep their iron rice bowl jobs in a system that is convoluted, difficult and inefficient.

The authorities here are unlikely to be very popular if they began more raids. So few teachers are legal to start with, and that's more the fault of the way things work here than the teachers themselves. The buxibans would be up in arms if there were more crackdowns on letter of law legality (it's not really congruous with local culture). Basically, any western standard of law enforcement would bring the whole deck of cards down, so far as the way things are working now. I don't see it realistically happening.

But while we are talking about the way things ought to be, it's been suggested here and elsewhere that an open work permit system, issued from overseas missions and employer non-specific, would be the best sollution and the most fair. It would allow those who are coming here to work to be legal from the second they stepped off the plane; it would eliminate the visitor visa issues and do away with the need for teachers to upset their lives every time they change jobs. It would make sense. Guess it would put too many functionaries out of work, though.
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AQUA MARINA



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Posts: 104
Location: Canada *In TAIWAN AUGUST 8TH!**

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's great that Taiwan has system the way it is. True no policies are perfect.

We can avoid signing a contract in order to enter the country and have the freedom to check out our potential empolyers before commiting

Other countries like Japan and Korea make you sign the contract to get a legal work permit before you can enter in the country.

I think we should have a choice, makes life easier
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