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biffinbridge



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:14 pm    Post subject: why r all the bosses in Europe women? Reply with quote

Why are all the bosses women?Based on my experiences it sure aint the talent.......they get bitchy,go power crazy,take time off every month, get all politically correct,can't drink to save their lives and are unable to name the current squads for the English football,rugby and cricket teams at the drop of a hat....so why? There must be a reason.
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woza17



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Biff if I may call you by that name. I think the worst bosses I have had, have been women who have role modelled themselves on the worst aspects of male bosses. I don't like to be gender specific but I always keep to this rule a boss is a boss, they have the power.
You know I have just been made one and I will use my power for good, get rid of that bitch I hate. I can be a teamplayer but I don't think this actually works if you want things done, my last history teacher believed that a benevolent dictator was the best form of government and inviting me out for a drink, he lost all credibility with me.
Cheers Carol
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to digress slightly-- i overheard a young woman talking to her mother a while back. She was explaining to her indulgent ma (and doubtless bewildered) that yes, she was a woman, but in many ways she reacted to situations like a man. Mostly she acted like a woman, but often she behaved like a man. In other words, she was asserting her "masculine" tough side, etc etc etc, because as they say, gender is a social construct, man. I say, socially construct this!

Anyway, you're right about women running this industry, at least at the management level. Not many men, and the ones that do are often sus. My first two DoSs were pedofiles.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:07 am    Post subject: no women bosses here Reply with quote

Come to saudi arabia ! No women bosses here And it is unlikely that there will be in my lifetime. Another reason for staying where I am!
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denise



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoah, boys!!!!! Evil or Very Mad

Two of the most incompetent directors I've worked for were men.

The two competent ones? One woman, one man.

Any relationship between gender and competence? Not that I can see. (yeah, yeah, such a small sample size--shall we do a poll about competence and gender to make for more valid statements?)

Between gender and drinking? Nope.

Between gender and interest in sports? Nope. Maybe not knowing the rugby teams is not so much a gender issue as a geography issue. I know more about baseball than many men that I know. (Granted, baseball isn't as macho, burly manly-man of a sport as some others, but still, women can and do understand such things.)


I know I'm falling right into your trap (looking to get a rise out of people?), but hey, I can't resist.

Evil or Very Mad

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rogan



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey denise

Is there any relationship between gender and sex ? (interest in, that is Smile )
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denise



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rogan wrote:
Hey denise

Is there any relationship between gender and sex ? (interest in, that is Smile )


Nope--I'm sure it's equally enjoyed by both sexes.

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grahamb



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:06 am    Post subject: Women bosses? Reply with quote

ANY boss - male or female - who can name the current England cricket, football, rugby, mudwrestling (naked or otherwise) and tiddlywinks teams at the drop of a hat should be taken out and shot.
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chinasyndrome



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: why r all the bosses in Europe women? Reply with quote

Err...just a guess but maybe it's because [quote]they get *beep*,go power crazy,take time off every month, get all politically correct,can't drink to save their lives and are unable to name the current squads for the English football,rugby and cricket teams at the drop of a hat.quote]

I know it sounds odd. Especially the sports thing. Oh, and the drinking thing. What puts we mere males at a distinct disadvantage is that we can't go ballistic once a month and then have automatic forgiveness and understanding. Wink
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Roger



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A guess from someone who speaks both French and German and has lived in countries using these lingos:
Political correctness has gone over the top. I do not mean to say women need to be sports-fascinated as men seem to be, and I can't really see any reason why there should not be more women running education, but PC definitely has some impact. In France, when I lived there the trend was called "feminisation de la profession" (you get the drift).
It is well reflected in how modern usage of German and French are being doctored with. An address to a mixed-gender crowd always has to include references to both genders. There are now addresses like "Madame la Presidente et Monsieur le President..." in French, and if you open a german daily, you may well read things like "Lieber Leser, liebe Leserin..." ("dear male reader, dear female reader"). It is politically criminal to write about "Aerzte@ (physicians) without making an explicit reference to "Aerztinnen" (she-doctors).
There is a kind of affirmative action in place in various countries that helps women get to the top in the economic hierarchy without taking all the necessary steps.
Personally, I have hardly ever noticed any overt discrimination against women in the world of labour (nurses are usually females, gynecologists are overwhelmingly often males, why?). SOldiers are still males only (except in armies that have professional contingents. Kindergarten teachers are almost always women, university professors in their majority are males.
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Capergirl



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: why r all the bosses in Europe women? Reply with quote

biffinbridge wrote:
Why are all the bosses women?Based on my experiences it sure aint the talent.......they get *beep*,go power crazy,take time off every month, get all politically correct,can't drink to save their lives and are unable to name the current squads for the English football,rugby and cricket teams at the drop of a hat....so why? There must be a reason.


If you can't handle political correctness, Biffintroll, might I suggest another career? I'm sure your students really appreciate a beer swilling, redneck, sports-obsessed woman-hater as their "teacher". Rolling Eyes
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richard ame



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:57 pm    Post subject: Female bosses Reply with quote

Hi
I think Biffs question has not really being addressed here, the question of why are there more (a lot more) female bosses ?
The simple answer mate is coz there are a lot more girlies in this game than us man types and thats why they end up at the top of the tree,most of them in my opinion do a pretty reasonable job too,so I say more power to them, in this society they need all the help up the ladder they can muster. Sadly they do enjoy stabbing each other inthe back as wellas us blokes goes with the real estate I reckon.
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dduck



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger wrote:
Personally, I have hardly ever noticed any overt discrimination against women in the world of labour (nurses are usually females, gynecologists are overwhelmingly often males, why?). SOldiers are still males only (except in armies that have professional contingents. Kindergarten teachers are almost always women, university professors in their majority are males.


For me, it's a case of you can't see the wood for the trees. In Britain, and probably the whole of Europe women end up in part-time jobs more than men - primarily because they're women. One example is an old boss of mine, and good friend. She worked a part-time job as a team-leader, which carried with it a lot of responsibility; she felt under a great deal of pressure to provides results. So much so that she was in fact doing as many hours as regular full-time employees. She worked part-time, doing her core hours and lots of overtime, with which she was allowed a great deal of flexibility. Unfortunately, at that time British law didn't give part-time workers the same rights, e.g. pensions, as full-time workers, plus she was discouraged from becoming full-time because much of the flexibity she enjoyed would be taken away from her. She was typical of working women: she'd been dumped with the responsibility for looking after the children, and business was penalising her for being a woman. The other twist to the tale was: she earned more than her husband, but he couldn't face looking after the family. Confused

Iain
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nomadder



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had my share of women bosses who can't handle any amount of power. Where there are women bosses there is usually a crap paycheque so don't worry about it. They usually are low to middle management and have to be ykw to get any higher. My last female boss was the owner too and she was great to me but maybe not so to some of the office staff.

I know lots of women who can drink to save their life though this is rarely a job requirement. Sports and English teaching? I fail to see the connection. Sports are just a diversion for male aggression so who cares.

Re: time off once a month-I've never seen it.

As to political correctness-sometimes it does go too far-seems false and forced.

Is Biffinbridge the one who wanted to push Canadian female singers off a bridge(or whatever it was) or was that some other misogynist in this forum?[/quote]
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biffinbridge



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:37 am    Post subject: reply to capergirl Reply with quote

"Red neck woman hater."...that's a first.Clearly you've had a sense of humour failure.As for the career change,I've got 10 years of qualified experience in several different countries so it's a bit late for that option.I love women I just have had some awful female bosses.Granted there are a lot more women in esl but political correctness has gone mad.I for one don't mind saying that it's largely a load of hogwash.Stick that in ya pipe and smoke it.
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