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Llamalicious
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 Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: "Flying coffins" banned by the EU |
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From today's Guardian:
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EU bans 'unsafe' airlines from flights to the continent
� Carriers in Indonesia and Russia on no-fly list
� Crackdown on 'flying coffins' hits African routes
Dan Milmo, transport correspondent
Friday June 29, 2007
The Guardian
All Indonesian airlines have been banned from flying to Europe in a safety crackdown that has also placed several carriers from Russia, Ukraine and Angola on an aviation blacklist. The ban was imposed following a series of accidents involving the country's aircraft that have included two fatal crashes since the New Year which killed a total of 123 people.
The national airline of Indonesia, Garuda, and the 50 other airlines registered in the country, will be kept away from the EU, although no Indonesian carriers at present fly to the continent.
Hours after the ban was announced Angolan national radio reported that a Boeing 737 operated by one of the newly banned carriers, TAAG Angola Airlines, had crashed in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
The ban could affect the Indonesian tourist industry, with Europeans being warned not to use the country's airlines. Travel agencies selling package tours involving carriers based in Indonesia are required to inform customers that the nation's airlines are blacklisted.
Holidaymakers who have booked flights with blacklisted carriers through tourist agents will receive a refund.
EU officials said poor maintenance and operating standards, as well as the slow reaction of Indonesian aviation authorities to demands for better standards, had contributed to the ban.
The Indonesian airline market was deregulated in the 1990s and its safety record has been chequered ever since, with fatalities on some flights. Scores of low-cost airlines have been established.
David Learmount, operations and safety editor at Flight International, said Indonesia was one of the few examples where deregulation of the airline market had lowered safety standards rather than raised them: "Standards in aviation safety have been going up dramatically on a worldwide basis, but there are still places where they are [of the standards of] the 70s and 80s. In Indonesia the safety watchdog was told earlier this year to pull its socks up, but the EU is clearly convinced that it has not done so."
An EU official, referring to the national regulator's failure to heed warnings that a ban was imminent and that reassurances were needed, said the Indonesian civil aviation authority was "not very reliable".
Indonesian officials claimed that, despite the recent crashes, airline safety was improving, according to data not seen by the European commission.
US authorities have also warned the Indonesian aviation regulator this year, leading to the US federal aviation authority downgrading Indonesia's rating. |
So, are you surprised? Will this make you think twice about travelling by air? Doubt it.
Obviously, safety standards on Indonesian airlines are a cause for concern but how else am I going to get to Manado? |
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beefer
Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: Re: "Flying coffins" banned by the EU |
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| Llamalicious wrote: |
Obviously, safety standards on Indonesian airlines are a cause for concern but how else am I going to get to Manado? |
no problem, there is a nice ferry that does a 2 day trek there. nice accom. on board and the food is surprisingly good. also you get to go......... no wait.... i just remembered that the boat sank last year |
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basiltherat
Joined: 04 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Yes, this appalling situation will certainly hit tourism.
Example: at the beginning of the year, my wife and son were considering going to Jakarta and on to Bali and Kalimantan on holiday. We nipped that idea in the bud when news about this broke several months ago.
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| according to data not seen by the European commission. |
Makes you wonder what the point of having data is if it isn't seen. Ridiculous ! Either that or some guys in the Civil Aviation Directorate must now be desperately trying to manipulate the data they have to make it look as though things have improved. The rate of air crashes are clear statistics in themselves and its nigh impossible to deny an air crash.
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philbags
Joined: 13 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Har Har ...ooooooh dear; i just remembered freaking out at some guy sat next to me making phone calls on take off on a flight from bandung to malang. That was within a week of a plane going down and killing 150ish people. Ive never been relaxed on aeroplanes.Is it just that indonesians dont care about dying?
Back in England and its still raining. |
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laughing_magpie06
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, read this with great amusement. Usually the Indonesians don't take criticism of themselves by foreigners very well. You only have to see how they reacted after the Papua refugee case and the recent Sutiyoso affair went and the subsequent reaction towards Australia. Silence towards Europe though, maybe they are afraid to take on the big boys. |
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guruengerish
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: Over priced airbus |
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Dirty Debt?
Much of Garuda's current financial difficulties trace to the purchase of six Airbus A330-300 aircraft between 1988 � 1992 at a per unit cost of US$214 million. Industry observers, however, point to indications of a substantial "mark-up" in the market price of a new Airbus A330-300 - thought to be closer to US$140 million per plane. The US$74 million "overpayment" for the six aircraft, if substantiated, represents an unnecessary additional initial principal debt burden of US$444 million for the airline.
Results of an internal audit launched in mid-2006 by Garuda Indonesia to investigate the "mark up" allegations in the purchase of the six Airbus A330-300 have yet to be made public. Bisnis Indonesia
of course, we're all amazed that such a thing could possibly happen. Just one small correction though: that mark up of U$74 million is per plane, not the total, as the article would have us believe. Newspaper maths again. |
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Atoms for Peace
Joined: 06 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| laughing_magpie06 wrote: |
| Usually the Indonesians don't take criticism of themselves by foreigners very well. You only have to see how they reacted after the Papua refugee case and the recent Sutiyoso affair went and the subsequent reaction towards Australia. Silence towards Europe though, maybe they are afraid to take on the big boys. |
Incredibly, the Indonesian National Air Transport Commission and several House of Representatives members have suggested a reciprocal ban on European carriers entering Indonesian airspace, while another politician has expressed amazement that foreigners could be so horrid to Indonesia after Indonesia had helped the international community by voting for the UN Security Council resolution in Iran and signing a treaty with Singapore... |
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basiltherat
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is it any wonder that this kind of information gets out. after all, to get way with bribery, embezzlement, kick backs etc, you really need to be smart.
im afraid its yet another case of ssdd (same shIt, different day).
Indonesia needs a guide called 'Indonesia and how to survive it'. If I had had time, the first thing I'd have jotted down to mention in it would be 'ignorance is bliss'. The more you know about what goes on there politically, socially and economically, the more stressed and angry you're liable to become; asking poiltically-unanswerable questions like :
But how could this happen ?
Why ?
How did he get away with it ?
But ... Is that possible ?
I once studidly suggested, quite a while back, that Indonesia be recolonized for a certain period and that the reigns should be slowly (bit by bit) handed back over once they got the hang of it. I nearly got my head bit off.
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| another politician has expressed amazement that foreigners could be so horrid to Indonesia after Indonesia had helped the international community by voting for the UN Security Council resolution in Iran and signing a treaty with Singapore... |
Oh dear, oh dear. If they want to play that game (which is pathetically childish), one could ask:
"and all the help and aid europe provided post-tsunami ??"
Oh for heaven's sake !
My wife says, just leave them (Indonesian nation) alone to do their own thing. She's right, I think
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| basiltherat wrote: |
| I once studidly suggested, quite a while back, that Indonesia be recolonized for a certain period and that the reigns should be slowly (bit by bit) handed back over once they got the hang of it. |
Actually, I really like that one! The colonizers do indeed hold all the reigns. |
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basiltherat
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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thats wat syrian beer does to you.  spelling goes haywire.
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| It was a logical cognitive typing mistake. I do the same. |
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guruengerish
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: reins/reigns |
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whether it's reins or reigns, it's all the same with our royal family.
As Prince Phillip once said of his daughter, 'as long as it eats hay and farts loudly, she's interested'
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Llamalicious
Joined: 11 May 2007
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Location: Rumah Makan Sederhana
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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As the OP, I hereby bless your off-topic post and follow up with another HRH Duke of Edinburgh quote.
This would not be funny if said by a bitter, pissed-up bloke in the pub, but considering who his wife is, it's genius:
“I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing.”
Pure quality. |
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Llamalicious
Joined: 11 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, this is probably more on topic:
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To grieving residents of Lockerbie, Scotland, during a 1993 visit after a plane exploded and crashed into the town, killing everyone on board and several people on the ground (and shortly after a fire swept through ONE wing of Windsor Castle):
"People usually say that after a fire it's the water damage that's the worst. We're STILL trying to dry out Windsor castle." |
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